Herb Doctors: Authoritarianism

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00:00:00 > Andrew Murray: Well, once again this is Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD 91.1 FM. My name is Andrew Murray. Sarah Johannesen Murray: My name is Sarah Johannesen Murray. Andrew Murray: For those of you who perhaps have never listened to the show say run every third Friday of the month from 7:00 till 8:00 PM, we’re both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England graduating there with a degree in herbal medicine and we run a clinic in Garberville where we consult with clients about a wide range of conditions and recommend herbs, dietary supplements and nutritional counseling. So welcome again to the show for those people who regularly tune in, and then for those of you who maybe have just tuned in for the first time, welcome. We do take callers on the show from 7:30 to 8 o’clock And as always, as has been the format for many years now, I can't believe how quickly time has gone by, Dr. Raymond Peat will be joining us to share his wisdom. This month the subject is going to be a little bit political. I

00:01:02 > can't say it’s not because subject that we’ll be covering will definitely involve politics. And whilst I’m not advocating any one side for sake of being neutral, there are certain fundamental tenants of freedom of speech, freedom of assembly that this great nation was founded on in 1777 with the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, etcetera, that’s where the whole country is built on. So there will be a little political and we invite callers to call in for any questions related or unrelated to some of the topics of the political and physiological side of the topic. Okay. So if people want to call in, the toll free number is 1-800-KMUD -RAD, that’s 1-800- 568-3723. So we’re going to cover – I think the broad topic is going to be on authoritarianism and just to couch those

00:02:04 > terms that authoritarianism would cover. Freedom of right, freedom of expression and freedom of religion and freedom of assembly etcetera, those freedoms are not dominated by authoritarianism and so we’re going to bring out both kind of physiological perspective as well as mental and political perspectives. Once again we’re very pleased that Dr. Raymond Peat is with us and so Dr. Peat, are you there? Dr. Ray Peat: Yes. Andrew Murray: Hi. Okay. So thanks so much for joining us on the show. As always our people perhaps who have just tuned in now or who may listen to this on a audio archive later on, on the web, would you just give an outline of your background, your scientific background and your research? Dr. Ray Peat: Yes, the relative part of my science background is that I descended

00:03:06 > against some of the fundamental ideas in all of the sciences really, especially in biology. I had a Masters Degree in Humanities from the University of Oregon for several years before I went to study biology in 1968 to 1972 for PhD, but I found that when I followed the college instructor’s directions to give the students different perspectives on scientific issues in a course called physics were biology majors, the trustees really didn’t want their students to hear the other side of some of the things or issues in the 1950s such as the dangers of fallout from radiation or medical radiation,

00:04:08 > but so my whole activity over the years has been looking at descending ideas in all of the sciences. Andrew Murray: Okay. So with reference to political ideologies, I know you’ve mentioned many times from both your run-ins or challenges with various authoritarian figures within the studying community in order to gain your PhD in order to pass the exams – not to pass exams for want of not being intelligent enough to write a good enough thesis but in order to get along, it's just like another kind of club where I've known from my own background that there are those people who perhaps come up with dissenting for one of better word ideas that are challenged not mainstream

00:05:10 > I've usually vehemently opposed and fundamentally threatened those kind of structures that are in place in the ruling ideology of in the university for this instance of explanation. So in terms of authoritarian figures in the academic background even not just talking about politics and geopolitics, you’ve been very familiar with those things that have happened with either be blocking what you would find as new research or old research which was there just needed to be uncovered and how do you think that manifest itself in academia? Dr. Ray Peat: In 1965, I saw a really interesting study by a professor at the Oregon State University which I never attended but in this study she looked at the academic success of graduate students

00:06:12 > in all the departments I think at Oregon State which it used to be an agricultural college, so it tends to be more agriculture oriented rather than humanities as the university in Eugene. But she ranked the scores on mental tests. I think it was the graduate or the Miller Analogies Test, and she looked at the way the brain functions. The Miller Analogies majors’ mental flexibility as well as vocabulary and other aptitudes but it's heavy on flexibility. They changed the rules parkway every 10 questions or so they used different kinds of analogy. And she

00:07:14 > found that from the lowest academic achievers in graduate school, the lowest scores on that test corresponded nicely, and up to the middle range of the Miller Analogies Test that increased in rank with the academic success up to the straight 4-point students but then as the student’s mental scores on analogies test increased, their grades decreased and again the very highest on the mental abilities were lower very unsuccessful graduate students. That obviously is a matter of authoritarian fitting in being other direction rather than being powered by

00:08:16 > curiosity and desire for knowledge which really didn’t fit in and made them fail. Andrew Murray: Okay. So I think probably just to get into some of the politics and let's just go for the jugular and go for some of the politics in science, in academia and in the politics within the framework which those establishments are raised or fostered. I think in the past certainly up until or probably the end of the Second World War and I know I’ve brought this out with you several times about the German repatriation that was demanded after the fall of the Third Reich and how the corporate assets within Germany were seized

00:09:18 > as well as some of the mind capability, the intellectual capability of the – maybe the physicists or the chemists, pharmacologists, et cetera, that were working for these big institutions were seized and brought to America, how the background of the New World Order was founded and Nuremberg Trials and how that whole thing basically virtually acquitted, a lot of these people given that they would then work for the United States in newly seized businesses with newly seized information and how would this New World Order concept is very much being exposed today on the internet and we are even beginning to see the emergence of news channels like Fox actually openly debating now concepts that Donald Trump is being bringing out in his various rallies.

00:10:20 > He's definitely not bought out and he's definitely not a politician. I hear a lot of the ideologies that he has but it seem to harking back to a minimal government the way the constitution was written more decision -making by the state, less government involvement, make better deals etcetera, etcetera. They are kind of rhetoric. I know I've heard from him. And then we have the counterpart of that in the campaign Hillary Clinton who definitely has, if you want to go look for it, being implicated with many different (crimes) for which they are calling for her indictment whether it's Benghazi or whether it’s the e-mail server that got hacked or whether it's the funding that she has gotten from dictators and in other countries and maybe not dictatorial

00:11:22 > countries but definitely nations that are certainly opposed to America’s ideology. Where this brings our country and in terms of the mindset in academia, the mindset in succeeding in academia because the dogma that is established and is not challenged that's set up by pharmaceutical companies that have a lot of money, a lot of government lobbying power and how this whole thing really is opposed to freewill and freedom of expression and a constitutionally sound republic than the republic was build on and... Sarah Johannesen Murray: And free trade, it’s supposed to free trade. Andrew Murray: Yes, I mean there is both the TPP and other policies that have been brought up in documentation that's been brought up and certainly not in American- owned or

00:12:24 > controlled framework too. So I think the whole concept of other powers being in control, all kind of rows into geopolitical space that we’re in at the moment with this – it's kind of out of left field comes Donald Trump with his rhetoric and the old kind of fabric of control and two-party monopoly, there is both Republic and Democrats are both seem to be very much on the same kind of fence and they are all definitely much against Donald Trump for whatever he is standing for. Now I've seen him being accused of being fascist is definitely one of the worlds and that's why I wanted to bring out the politics side of this – our talk with you Dr. Peat because I know you come from a background in academia being very much aware of the dominant authoritarian background

00:13:26 > who doesn't want to accept your new uncovering of old research that proves otherwise as well as… Sarah Johannesen Murray: As well as new research. Andrew Murray: As well as new research that's coming out at the time. So in terms of that kind of struggle between academia getting along in society, being free enough to have the expression to do that and new ideas and novel concepts coming to market because of a free market and basically the whole point is that we’re not able or not – we shouldn't be allowed – I mean not allowed to offend by killing or defaming someone to verbal kind of abuse and physical abuse but that free markets led good ideas come to pass because they give the people the choice to either support it or not. Sarah Johannesen Murray: Much like the fascist hospitals too. I mean I was threatened to be thrown out on the streets when

00:14:28 > I needed care in the hospital because I wouldn't go along with one of their procedures. I mean that’s fascism. Dr. Ray Peat: Yes, the ruling class really has defined the words though and where Mussolini clearly defined what he called fascism as the blending of state power with corporate power, that's exactly what… Andrew Murray: That’s what’s going on here, right? Dr. Ray Peat: That’s now being called free trade and the trade deals which are essentially allowing the biggest corporations to impose their political standards on the rest of the world in an empire, so a free trade is really subjecting political rules in other countries to the

00:15:30 > international corporations benefit the environment in Mexico for example has been deteriorating for several decades with the maquiladora industry along the border but then the NAFTA started because our corn can be grown industrially on a huge scale in the United States. The subsidized corn has to be freely admitted in the Mexico for people using subsistent methods depended for their livelihood on growing their own corn and animals. And so this subsidized cheap corn displaced farmers and created the influx

00:16:32 > of immigrants who are wondered for cheap labor in the farms and probably eventually if there were any factories left it would be doing maquiladora type work in the US. Andrew Murray: Okay, let me just give the number out to people that may have just tuned. You’re listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor KMUD, Garberville 91.1 FM. From 7:30 till the end of the show you’re invited to call in with any questions related or unrelated to this month’s kind of mixed topic of politics, authoritarianism, free speech, constitutional rights, alternatives, and obviously we’re coming from a alternative medicine background of Dr. Peat, our guest PhD endocrinologist who has been studying and researching many different aspects of longevity as well as hormones etcetera that we normally talk about. He is very graciously joined us. I know you weren’t feeling too well earlier Dr. Peat. I little wondered whether

00:17:34 > we’ll be doing this, but I appreciate your time coming here. You mentioned Mussolini, that’s quite interesting actually because when I looked earlier and I hadn't even spoken to you all day here. I looked at the – what I wanted is I think I probably initially what I wanted to do is breakdown the different political ideologies and see the statements that these political ideologies flew their banner over in order to get a concept of each political mindset and then I think that would probably be a good place to go. We have another – we have caller in now who has just decided to call but let's – we can take this caller and then let's move on to the kind of individual political topic banners that each party flies under and let's explore the authoritarian stance amongst them. Okay, caller you’re on the air. Where are you from and what’s your question? Q: Hi, I’d rather not say where I’m from but anyway I’m in the area. Andrew Murray: Okay. Q: Let's see. I have

00:18:36 > two things. One, one thing that’s being bothering me is we really don't have a good vocabulary that a word and when we like to use the word fascism for a lack of a better word but it might not be precisely accurate. We need a word that describes some people can think about that combines the capitalism with the police state covert operation situation that we have with our media and the government and everything. So I think it would really help talking about is that we had some words, we need to create them some how combining what we – the language we have because when you say that corporate media is somebody who doesn't know the field really well, they have no idea what you're talking about. And so it’s really needed a word that is sort of self-explanatory. Andrew Murray: Right. Q: And the other thing I want to talk about briefly and I hate to change the subject to health but this is usually a health show.

00:19:38 > Andrew Murray: Sure, it is. Sarah Johannesen Murray: Yes, but see the government is affecting our health that’s why we have to talk about it. Q: Definitely. Tell me about it. It’s just ridiculous. Sarah Johannesen Murray: Even if it’s just on a stress level. Q: [indiscernible] [0:19:45] over my house recently to tell me that that I don't have legal electricity in mobile and that just happened like in the last month. This drug shows are telling me that the police are telling her to tell me that I don’t have legal electricity. So yes, that’s what the politics are like in the little town I'm living in. But anyway… Andrew Murray: What was your second question? Q: Back to health, I was just wondering – and if it's not really relevant and you don't want to talk about, I'll call back some other time. But I was wondering about how do you like sort of reinoculate your stomach like it seems like I have had problems maybe from sulfides that killed off like maybe some of the enzymes, they help me digest vegetables and stuff. And I'm wondering if you guys have any suggestions how I can sort of reestablish those living organisms that I think made digestion easier when I was younger. Andrew Murray: Okay

00:20:40 > Q: And I think maybe like – because I know diary products seems like if I eat a lot of cheese and I eat a lot of yogurt, then I can drink milk, whereas if I haven't eaten cheese and yogurt in a while, I have a lot of problems digesting milk. And so I was thinking that might be the same situation with vegetables and you might have some ideas maybe with fermented vegetables help or something. Do you have any ideas on that and if you don’t want to talk about tonight then I’ll call back some other time. Andrew Murray: No problem. Sarah Johannesen Murray: No, that’s fine. We announced questions related or unrelated to tonight’s topic, so feel welcome to calling about health questions because that’s really the most interesting to us anyways. Andrew Murray: Okay, so… Q: I’m going to go off the line. Andrew Murray: No problem. I'll give the recolonisation answer to you Dr. Peat and then I'll cover the fascism because that's actually could be the beginning of the explanation of the different party mindsets and we can explore the authoritarian, yes, system over that. Dr. Ray Peat: I think you mentioned sulfide as a problem. Sarah Johannesen Murray: Yes, he thought that he might have – the sulfides might have killed off some good bacteria and I do

00:21:42 > know from being friends with a winemaker that still fights our preservative and they are antimicrobial and they are like a bleaching product. Dr. Ray Peat: Yes, and I think they might also help to initiate allergies with maybe interactive with the microbes that are also been damaged by the sulfides. The sulfides are reductants and the stress state is an exaggeratedly reduced state and things that promote good oxidative metabolism can help the intestine greatly keeping your thyroid in good condition. Sarah Johannesen Murray: And sulfides are anti-thyroid too, right? Dr. Ray Peat: Yes. And the slightly antiseptic foods such as cooked mushrooms, bamboo shoots, raw carrots and

00:22:44 > saturated fats, these help to keep down the potentially toxic bacteria. Sarah Johannesen Murray: Yes and saturated fats are like coconut oil is antimicrobial. Dr. Ray Peat: Yes. And just keeping the digestive system stimulated and very active so that you tend digest the germs rather than being digested by them. Sarah Johannesen Murray: Yes, so keeping your bowel movements frequent. And also just another thing, the one probiotic that I found quite useful for me personally was Dr. Ron's Ultra-Pure probiotic and that was one I didn't have adverse reactions to and I have had adverse reactions to a lot of the probiotics sold over-the-counter, so that one is over-the-counter too. You can find it online, Dr. Ron’s probiotics. And yes, the man mentioned that he was feeling better digesting milk when he had been eating cheese and yogurt and you do get a lot of natural probiotics from eating cultured dairy. Andrew Murray: Okay, so we

00:23:46 > have another caller. So let's take this other caller before we move onto the politics. Caller you’re on the air, where are you from? Q: I’m a local, Garberville. Andrew Murray: Okay. Q: And I have the word that the gentleman previously was searching for. Andrew Murray: Which, the Fascism. Q: No. Sarah Johannesen Murray: It’s not fascism. Q: It’s a term that is used by the Untied States State Department and it’s called Americanism. Andrew Murray: Americanism. Q: Americanization. You’re trying to Americanize Vietnam. We were going to Americanize other countries in South America. We were going to Americanize Middle East. Americanization that’s what we do, you know what we’re doing, when we’re doing, it’s an empire thing and we do it. Thank you. Dr. Ray Peat: I wonder if he was old enough to remember when we had the un-American Activities Commission – Committee running. Q: I was born in

00:24:48 > 1957 and I believe that’s around a time that was very active. Dr. Ray Peat: Yes, in 1960, the 60s sort of began when students had a protest in Washington against HUAC, House Un -American Activities Committee and they were really for the most Un-American part of the society trying to suppress all free thought. Q: Absolutely. And well, we’re all kind of singing the song to the choir here in a way but. Sarah Johannesen Murray: I know. Q: But you know it’s locally I know in California people are a little bit ahead of the curve of understanding these issues than the rest of the country. And thank you for the show because I know a lot of people from all over the country are listening. Thank you so much. Andrew Murray: Yes, thank you for your call. Now the West Coast is definitely I’m very pleased, very proud to be an American. I’m on the West Coast. I’m in California and where

00:25:50 > those started and I’m sure there is going to be many more good things to come out of it as long as we don’t let political correctness take us over because I think that’s becoming a really bad problem. That can also be talked about. We’re on the air now Ask Your Herb Doctor KMUD, Garberville 91.1 FM. From now until the end of the show till 8 o’clock, you can call in if you’re on the web, you on a toll free number 800-568- 3723 or for those of our listeners in the area, toll free, the 707 number is 923-2513. Okay, so… Sarah Johannesen Murray: 3911, 923-3911. Andrew Murray: Beg your pardon. Okay, 3911. There you go. Dr. Ray Peat: I have another little comment. Andrew Murray: Go ahead. Dr. Ray Peat: On the question of language and what you call it. I did my thesis on William Blake and in the late 1700s he was tried for sedition in 1804 but he was writing

00:26:52 > things that were potentially disturbing to the ruling class all through the late 1700s. And what he was doing was showing the way language was used to deceive the people and he would reverse use heaven and hell in opposite senses to show how radically the establishment was misusing language to impose its own ideas on the people. And the current politic relations psychology people working for political control it has developed all during the 20th century but they are doing

00:27:54 > exactly opposite. They are doing studies to find which words are most manipulative which mislead the people most effectively and the categories of right-wing, left-wing conservative and so on are being manipulated deliberately. Andrew Murray: Okay. Good. We do have another caller, so let's get this caller taken. We’ll see where we go with this next question. Caller where are you from? Q: Yes, hello. Andrew Murray: Hi. Q: I hear a lot about political correctness and I’m not sure what that means. What is political correctness? Andrew Murray: Okay, the way I understand political correctness is basically not having your own thoughts not saying what you feel for fear of upsetting somebody. It's basically the opposite of freedom of speech. I think political correctness is essentially a tyranny and we can get into that too because in England… Q: It’s so vague. I mean I can understand not saying

00:28:56 > racial slurs, that doesn’t sound very socially correct, I don’t know about politically but what cannot be said about politically. Andrew Murray: It’s about the ruling class that are ruling that nation or that state and their ideologies and what does or doesn't agree with their political agenda on whether or not they are going to get voted back in next time by you or me, so whatever the political correctness is, isusually what the political ideas are and not to go against them as very much a suppression of freedom of speech. Q: Well, I know Donald Trump loves to talk about he can't stand political correctness but he says horribly slanderous things. He says completely opposite things. He is always changing his mind. Andrew Murray: Well, you know, as far as I remember that’s nothing actually stopping that from happening. The America has a freedom of expression mandate in its first amendment. So

00:29:58 > there is not actually anything wrong with that. I think the only thing that the United States actually. Q: Do you think there is nothing wrong with him lying? Andrew Murray: Lying, you know. Q: Find all the time and insulting huge amounts of people. Andrew Murray: That’s very much down to the person who thinks that they have the truth and the person who feels they are being insulted, but why he is very much frowned upon or in fact prohibited is actually physically harming someone. You can take your placard into the Garberville town center for example and you can start protesting whatever you want. That’s freedom of speech. And as long as you’re not hurting anybody, you can say what you want to. I think in terms of… Q: Well, Donald Trump is actually advocating beating people up. I heard him say it myself. I saw a lot of it on television, I saw a lot of the things that he said and he said some pretty outrageous things and some very contradictory things. Dr. Ray Peat: The media are amplifying the things he says and ignoring similar things that Hillary Clinton does. See was a big name caller except she

00:31:00 > is more politically correct in the way she does it and she does it to promote the possibility of war and expansion of empire. Q: I haven't heard her say anything that sounds like that. Dr. Ray Peat: Yes, she called Putin a Hitler. She said similar things about North Korea and China. Q: Well, Putin – it doesn’t allow all the sexuality [ph] [0:31:27] in his country. I mean that’s pretty rigid. That’s pretty intense. But Trump, he talks about not letting any Muslims in. Andrew Murray: He said until they are properly… Q: Don’t let any white people in, what about white Americans here that are white. Andrew Murray: The Muslim reference was to being vetted before they come here like anybody entering the United States should be going through regular process. Q: You sound like you like Donald Trump. Andrew Murray: Say again? Q: You sound like you like Donald Trump. Andrew Murray: Yes, I do like some of his policies actually. I think from a freethinking

00:32:02 > perspective of being in business and generating income for the least amount of money I think he could do great things for this country in terms of saving his money. Q: Well, he says that he is going to bring back all the jobs from overseas and make all these companies bring their jobs back to America. Andrew Murray: Doesn’t it sound good. Q: And yet he himself has companies in China. So isn't that hypocritical. Sarah Johannesen Murray: So maybe his will be the first to come back to the US. Q: So how can he demand that other people bring theirs? Sarah Johannesen Murray: We can't digress too far here. Q: Well, I’m just saying that the bottom line for a businessman is making a buck, and I don’t think that he is going to bring back all his jobs from China so that he can pay people enormously larger wages and make a lot less money for his size of book? Andrew Murray: Well, we are actually talking about the discussion here in the world of politics of authoritarianism versus a constitution and especially the First Amendment of freedom of speech and freedom of expression

00:33:04 > etcetera, freedom to congregate and have free speech. So it’s a little… Sarah Johannesen Murray: That’s what we’re doing now. We’re having free speech. Andrew Murray: Well, I think that he has the right to say whatever he wants but I’m saying what he does say is very contradictory. Sarah Johannesen Murray: Well, they all do. Andrew Murray: In a free market – like anything else in a free market if you and I think the products are good product, we’re going to support here with our dollars. And so if he does get in, there will be more people supporting him for what he is portraying then whoever is the other opposition. So it's a free society where we have this free expression and we can say we want like – just like you were saying about Trump having business in overseas and that’s actually hypocritical statement. I can't validate what you’re saying because I didn’t see that evidence in front of me but I guess we can all take a look but it’s basically the free speech that allows all of the voices to be heard and then everybody can make a joint agreement. Q: But because we do have freedom, you know, businessman have freedom to go overseas

00:34:06 > and have other people make their products much more… Andrew Murray: Well, I think a lot of it actually is businesses being forced out. : [Indiscernible] [0:34:11] but they come back new Andrew Murray: Most of these businesses have been forced out of the United States by current political strategies basically. If you look at the real reason why all these corporations are moving overseas is because the climate in this country has been made so bad for them because there is so many inside deals going on that are being making money for these corporations that is the real problem. It’s not that they won't pay them enough or they think it’s just better. I think if you look at the real facts of it. Q: Well, I think I feel it’s better if you can pay somebody $0.35 a day than the $100 a day. Andrew Murray: Well, you don't have to pay somebody 100, that's quite of exaggeration but and they are paying someone $0.30 in a sweatshop in China is definitely not moral. I totally agree with that. I think what's more appropriate is that Americans here have work. They feel good about themselves contributing to the economy, contributing to their society being an asset to their country, being in the asset column of Americas

00:35:08 > what it should be all about and however jobs are bought back here to give people dignity and to give people something to do. Q: That’s a fantasy. There is no way that I can do that. Andrew Murray: I don’t think it’s a fantasy at all. I think that’s what we’ve been sold out and I think that’s what our politicians have sold us out on and that’s why the jobs are going to China. Q: But even the jobs that we have here, they won't even let minimum wage be a living wage? Andrew Murray: Yes. Q: And that goes on right here in our country, not some place in Malaysia or China. Things are worst for poor people here than they’ve ever been. Sarah Johannesen Murray: Yes, and they’ve gotten worse. Andrew Murray: They’ve gotten worse in the last 50 years. Sarah Johannesen Murray: In the last couple… Q: Because of the big companies and billionaires and business people in corporation. Corporations don’t pay any taxes, even though [indiscernible] [0:35:52] rather pay as little taxes. Andrew Murray: Yes, we’re not opposed to that. That’s not what we’re saying but I think the scope of what you're talking about is probably going to take us too far down the road and not allow other callers here. Q: Well, I’ll let other callers speak. Andrew Murray: Okay. All right. Dr. Ray Peat: Some of those

00:36:10 > points were sounding like support for Bernie Sanders which I think his domestic policies are very traditional and actually conservative in one sense of the concept concerning the standard of living, quality of life of working people and so on. Andrew Murray: Okay, I think we have one or two more callers on the air. Do we have – yes, let's take this next caller. Caller where are you from and what’s your question? Q: Hi, I’m from the San Francisco Bay Area. Andrew Murray: Okay, hi. What’s your question? Q: I have a couple of health- related questions for Dr. Peat because I've been experiencing really incredible results with my thyroid medication. Andrew Murray: Okay, good. Q: Quick background, I’m a client of Dr. Murray. Hi, Dr. Murray. Andrew Murray: Hi. Q: And he prescribed thyroid medication to me recently, so I've been on it for one week so far. And my two questions are regarding

00:37:12 > some incredible results that I've experienced over this past week. So the first one is specifically about my lips. I've noticed my lips are getting bigger. Shockingly my skin cells on my upper lips, they are turning into lip skin cells is the easiest way to put it. The color in these areas are turning pink and the pores in these areas are [indiscernible] [0:37:32] so you can't even see them and it looks like smooth lips. The color hasn't fully gotten in there all the way but I can tell that the skin is completely changing. And so my question is Dr. Peat how is that physiologically happening? I’m just blown away. Dr. Ray Peat: The circulation increases as the metabolic rate is increased under the influence of thyroid. Cells start producing carbon dioxide which opens up blood vessels and it also accelerates all of the normalizing processes

00:38:14 > creating replacement cells for example rather than scar tissue with inching their tendency to fill in with [indiscernible] simply useless scar like connective tissue in between were replacement stem cells haven't been able to develop and a good supply of energy and the oxygen can renew tissues. My own experience when I was experimenting with among other things DHEA and progesterone but also thyroid, I found that in my 40s I grew more than an inch while losing some belly fat staying the same weight but my muscles developed as the fat disappeared and even at that age my bones were elongating. So the

00:39:16 > repair and regeneration and anti- ageing effects of thyroid, it used to be talked about in the 1920s and 30s but since the pharmaceutical industry started suppressing the idea of treating hypothyroidism with thyroid supplements, since then the attention has been strongly directed away from those restorative effects of thyroid. Q: Well, that is [indiscernible] [0:39:49]. And my last question is I noticed that the very noticeable green veins in my legs, lower leg and upper legs is embarrassing that you can see them. I'm in my late 20s but they are becoming less apparent as if they are going deeper into my legs and so I'm wondering what is physiologically happening to them, what’s causing that? Dr. Ray Peat: Many things but

00:40:18 > high estrogen tents to be that with high cortisol and high estrogen make up for the metabolic deficiency in the hypothyroidism and that there are several skin blood vessel things that you see with high estrogen and high cortisol little red dots, broken capillaries or just nests of overdeveloped capillaries and small arterials are producing red spots of different sizes and shapes and sometimes the big blue-ish things called as vascular spiders and then varicose veins at very low energy state. Estrogen tends to weaken the basic muscle tone in the veins and

00:41:20 > progesterone and thyroid restore the muscle tone so the valves around the walls of the big veins, and if the vein relaxes the valves don’t work as valves because the effect can't reach each other. And so if you just contract the veins under the influence of progesterone and thyroid, valves will begin working and the restorative function of the vein. Then the tissues are better oxygenated so the hormones or Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor for example, the VEGF is produced under the influence of high estrogen and stress and inflammatory [indiscernible] [0:42:07] it tends to be very much lower under the influence of thyroid, so you don’t need those extra abnormal blood vessels when your thyroid is functioning well.

00:42:22 > But when you are taking a certain dose of thyroid, the thyroxine accumulates in your tissues with a half life of two weeks so you have to watch – people will usually feel great say increase their dose some point in the first week or two but if you’re taking more than you need, you will reach a point where you find that you’re taking more than enough or you’ll get out of breath and your heart will pound or something. But then when it accumulates and levels off then your body goes through further adjustments so you have to keep watching over period of a few months and then you have to watch for seasonal effects because you don't need as much thyroid in the summer as you do in the winter. Q: Well, that’s interesting. That makes sense for Dr. Murray just recently asking more reading so I used to do that. But thank you so much Dr. Peat

00:43:24 > and that I just want to know you absolutely changed my life and you’re my hero. I mean it’s incredible what I’m experiencing. Thank you for being brave enough to share your research and what you found with the world. Andrew Murray: Thank you for your call. Okay, I think we have another caller on the air, let's see this next caller. Caller where you’re from? Okay, do we have other caller on here? Yes, caller, you’re on the air, go ahead or maybe not. Okay. Well, the number if you live in the area is 923- 3911, it’s 707 area code. If you’re outside the area, you want 800 number, 800-568 -3723. Dr. Raymond Peat is joining us. We’re obviously taking questions about alternative medicine but also opened up the forum here for sort of pseudo-political debate based on authoritarianism. Dr. Peat I wanted to just go back to what it was you had mentioned off the cuff here about Mussolini and that I was looking today and I

00:44:26 > hadn't spoken to you all day and I definitely haven't arranged this. But in 1933 when Hitler was chancellor of Germany I saw that he was actually – if you type in fascism, I think you come up with two names that come up more than anything else and Mussolini and Hitler. And ultimately Hitler in, I think it was February 28, 1933, whether it was done by the fascists or whether it was done by the communists they stated it was a communist crime that the Reichstag’s building which is basically the Houses of Parliament type comparable in Germany was burnt down where the very next day this edict was announced that basically prevented any political uprising. It was ultimately exactly the same thing that’s been banded about here in America if we get any big terrorist attack that the president will announce a state Of emergency, a suspension of the constitution

00:45:28 > and basically be able to do anything he wants which is pretty scary, no matter how it is. I’m not really taking sides here. There is things I like about Trump. There is things I don’t like about Trump. There is things I definitely don’t like about Hillary and there is things I don’t like about the Bush’s and if it’s for me I’m a libertarian more than anything. But getting back to suspending the constitution and what happened in Germany in 1933, that ultimately gave Hitler the power to come – well, with the death of course of Heidelberg who was the VP then of the president at that point in time. His death ultimately allowed him to succeed and led for various within that year 1933 Jews were basically prosecuted, burning was going on, the riots of Nazism was just going rampant because they suppressed the ability of anybody else to argue against it and that was the most important thing that got my attention was that freedom of speech is very, very important and that's why our first amendment is so, so important

00:46:30 > to us and we have to protect it with our lives if necessary because founding fathers who weren’t stupid people. They had escaped [ph] [0:46:35] the country that I was born in and I've seen going down the toilet in the last 15 years since I've been here and things that happening England now you would not believe and I'm not anti – I'm not racist. I think freedom of religion is just fine but I think when you come to America you’re supposed to integrate with America. When I came here, I take on American I drive on the side of the road the Americans drive on. I kind of fallow the laws of the land and obey what's the law of the land what everybody else does and so fitting in is the most important thing and it's a great people from all over the world want to come to America and come here because of the values and the history and everything else and they feel like they have a chance to succeed. So you do that and you come here and you assimilate but basically in ‘33 when Hitler took over, the freedom of expression was completely expunged and you were not allowed to argue it and that from

00:47:32 > ‘33 to ‘39 lead to Second World War with the invasion of Poland. So talking about fascism is basically the former government then which the country is considered more important than anyone or any one person. And so that very much brings it’s leading to totalitarianism and authoritarianism which doesn't allow you or I the freedom of expression to argue against it. So Dr. Peat, do you have anything else to say about fascism and I know we've got lots of other different political terms like socialism, like liberalism, conservatism. They all have different ideas and tenants [ph] [0:48:09] but in terms of fascism for what it is as an authoritarian dictatorial type stance definitely not what we want to be under. Dr. Ray Peat: You are mentioning the import of the German scientists after the war, Project Paperclip

00:48:34 > and similar thing happened with the failure of the Hungarian Uprising in 1956 and these scientists, these physicists who were imported had a very great inclination towards Nazism and fascism because John Foster and Allen Dulles were working closely with Prescott Bush, the father of George Herbert Walker Bush in supporting Hitler in the 1920s and 30s. And the Dulles not only wanted to bring in all of the scientists who they needed for example for their rocket science and weapons

00:49:36 > development and such but they imported or continued their support for the role that Hitler had played in the world. A recent book by an Australian history professor has followed the role of the Dulles Brothers in world history and the effects continue right down to the present but his recent book shows how the Dulles and European fascists involvement in the Indonesia was a very important factor in Kennedy’s assassination because Kennedy was within just a few weeks of changing policy in Indonesia which would have ruined some of the investments that the Dulles were

00:50:38 > involved in and George de Mohrenschildt I think his name was, the guy who was closely connected to Lee Harvey Oswald who was one of Dulles’ associates way back in the 1940s period. Andrew Murray: Okay. Well we've just got another caller just come in, s o let's take this next caller. Caller where are you from and what's your question? Q: I’m local and my question I really wanted to just add a fragment of information. During the late 40s when doctor was talking about them importing through various means German scientists, we got the Galen group which was upper echelon SS, created false identities for them and that was the work of Wild Bill Donovan

00:51:40 > who was the director of the secret service but at that same time ‘46, ’47, they also created the CIA. They were fascinated by the incredibly cold and calculated methodology of the genocide that they were creating. And the development of the weapons and things, they didn't understand and wanted that information to be able to create, of course the intelligence if you want to call it that forces that we have out there today. So they created false identities and we got people that created the gas chamber and these people were considered assets. So it's just an ongoing thing. Andrew Murray: Okay, well, listen I appreciate your call. Well, we have only five minutes so let me just wrap up here with Dr. Peat and thank everyone that’s called in. Dr. Peat, thank you so much for your time.

00:52:42 > I do appreciate you joining us and...Sarah Johannesen Murray: Was there anything else you wanted to add to the show definitely before we finish because it's five minutes so we do have a little bit of time. Dr. Ray Peat: The doctrine of eugenics actually went from the United States and England to Germany and Hitler put it into practice but it never left American biology, the institute for social...Andrew Murray: It was used to implement it basically for the Americans. Dr. Ray Peat: Yes, the Americans have continued citing of the work which was done scientifically to justify killing Jews and Slavs and black people and anyone that Hitler considered politically inappropriate. These pseudoscientific studies

00:53:44 > were essentially designed by Konrad Lorenz who got a Nobel Prize and our American geneticists have shot of worshiped these ideas of genetic determinism including determinism even of political belief. Andrew Murray: Okay. Well, let's leave it with that.Sarah Johannesen Murray: Wow. That's all I can say is wow. Andrew Murray: Okay well thank you so much for your time Dr. Peat. Dr. Ray Peat: Okay. Thanks NAndrew Murray: Okay. So for those people who have tuned in, Dr. Raymond Peat, raypeat.com. His website is full of articles. They are all about pretty much physiological health articles and he's not particularly political person but I know he has got a background in academia that has certainly seen him come up against some professors who were very dogmatic in their belief and not able to see new ideas just call too radical but we’re seeing all of that come to pass now in 30, 40 years later. We're seeing The main importance here of saturated fats as Dr. Peat has gone on for a long

00:54:46 > time about. We are seeing the importance of sugar. We are seeing the necessity of salt, all of these things. I've been previously plagued and dogmatized and even banned in some places but I see these things coming around so. Sarah Johannesen Murray: Yes, recently at a coffee shop I was told that I might be charged extra if I wanted to put that many packets of sugar in my cup of coffee. So it is coming folks. You will be charged extra for sugar. Andrew Murray: For those of you who are still listening, the main point of all of this I think is that I really wanted just to bring out this part of our constitution here, okay, that really encapsulates all of it and we are all very flawed human beings. We have emotions. Some people lose their temper easily, some people are very calm, some people are honest, some are dishonest, etcetera. You’re never a mixed bag of chips but the part of the constitution that resonates with me most is the concept here of the self-evident truth that Martin Luther King talked about in his famous speech liberation before he was assassinated. The part of the constitution that mentions that all men

are created equal that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. So we live in a constitution and the main thing is we got to be fair. We got to be open to ideas, discussions. We have to talk about it. We don't want authoritarianism. It's good to have free speech. Don't let your first amendment rights get suppressed. Don't let the government get tyrannical. This is free speech radio station and so thank you for this station and thank you for those listening. Sarah Johannesen Murray: Yes, thank you for listening. Good night. Andrew Murray: Good night.