Herb Doctors: Uses Of Urea

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00:00:00 > ANDREW MURRAY: Hi and good evening to

00:02:34 > this month’s “Ask Your Herb Doctor.” My name is Andrew Murray. For those of you who perhaps have never listened to our shows which run every third Friday of the month from 7 till 8 PM. I am a licensed medical herbalist who trained in England and graduated there with a Masters degree in Herbal Medicine. I run a clinic in Garberville, where I consult with clients about a wide range of conditions and recommend herbal medicine and dietary advice. You are listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD, Garberville 91.1 FM and from 07:30 until the end of the show at 8 o’clock you are invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated to this month’s ongoing subject perhaps of the use of urea in the treatment of various pathologies. We are also going to get into a recapitulation if you like about isoflavones, soy products etc., things that are touted as being helpful and where the mistakes have come from because I know Dr. Peat has

00:03:36 > at length discussed various of these subjects and there is no science behind it, but unfortunately there is still portrayed in the mainstream is very helpful along with the fish oil. So we can get into that later on after the topic of urea in the treatment of disease. For those of you who are calling outside the area, the show is live and from 07:30 to 8 o'clock we take callers who would like to pose questions to Dr. Peat either related to this month’s subject or if indeed they have other questions health-related they would like to ask to Dr. Peat then they are also welcome to do that. So the number if they live outside the area, the toll-free number is 1800 KMUD-RAD, which is 1-800 -568-3723. For those in the local area, 707 area code at least, the number is 923-3911. And I can be reached toll-free on 1888-WBM Herb for consultations or any other further

00:04:38 > information, Monday through Friday regular business hours. Okay, so Dr. Peat are you with us. RAY PEAT: Yes. ANDREW MURRAY: Oh, hi. Thanks for joining us. So again as always perhaps for those people who might have just tuned in for the first time or for people that may have only heard of you once or twice as well as those who are regular listeners to your show would you just discuss your professional and academic backgrounds and how explore you do, where you're at now. RAY PEAT: I don't really have a professional background like others, but academically I have studied various things, MA in humanities and then 1968 to 1972, I got a PhD in biology specializing in reproductive physiology and biochemistry related to it, but I have been talking to lots of people about biological ideas for

00:05:40 > about 50 years and so my education comes in lot of non-academic ways. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay, so I know that you are constantly researching both old as well as novel breakthroughs in the interpretation of disease and the approach to disease which is less than mainstream medical approaches because the science very often has a different perspective to which I think most people are subject in medicine per se that is to say I think sometimes the truth of trials and research is done isn’t always brought out to the public, certainly not in a timely manner maybe 20 or 30 years later we begin to see the revelation from the initial research and it comes to the attention of people a bit like the U-turn if you like on the polyunsaturated oil

00:06:42 > was now recognized as being negative for a person's health rather than the financially viable positive health benefits. So I think for this month we talked about it a little while ago last month or in December's show about the treatment of urea in cancer specifically with reference to a Dr. Evangelos Danopoulos, a Greek medical doctor who actually was I think was conferred up an honorary professorship. I think I know him now on the internet as Professor Danopoulos, but ultimately he published quite a few peer-reviewed papers in respected medical journals, those being things like the Lancet and in the Journal Clinical Oncology, one particularly and now we are probably going to quote from your public and a quote from two that were published in 1983.He did some

00:07:44 > research prior to that in the late 70s So some other questions on urea and how a simple compound like urea that is totally non-toxic extremely inexpensive and very well tolerated by all the people that were using it and people that use it per se around the world where various things from skin conditions too, these cancers that we talk about. What your interpretations of the mechanism by which urea is affecting this anticancer activity and then we get into some of the outright experiments that were done. RAY PEAT: I think one of the essential things is that it inhibits nitric oxide formation and nitric oxide formation is probably the main means by which stress of any kind can turn off oxidative energy

00:08:46 > production and so anything that will turn off nitric oxide excess will restore energy production and restoring energy production as all kinds of even structural ramifications, the constant consumption of oxygen is maintaining and renewing the microscopic structure of a cell. The membrane people about 50 years ago were arguing that the membrane is semi -permeable and it does have pumps and cell energy has to run those pumps but in fact there are no demonstrated pumps and the pumps that they postulated would take many times more energy than a cell could ever produce, the cell is doing something with its

00:09:48 > energy very different from maintaining osmotic balance. It is maintaining the structure in anatomically fine since structure right down to the electronic relations of atoms to each other and it’s this kind of balance that urea participates in directly as well as helping to prevent the loss of the oxidative production of energy, so that the energy produces this structure which has all of the properties of life and urea fits into that in a unique way, so that the normal amount in the blood is just a few milligrams per 100 cc of blood, but you can increase that

00:10:50 > to a 1000 mg for 2 to 100 almost 1% of the blood without disturbing things physiologically. And Danopoulos found that when he got the blood level up to at least 85 mg percent more than 10 times the normal amount the cancers would start disappearing and so it’s a matter of concentration, even before that concentration it will have shutdown the production and action of nitric oxide within it has these structure stabilizing effect. It fits right into the way water is structured and it increases the ability of the cells natural hormones to

00:11:52 > structure the water and protein system the way the cell wants to structure, so it is like urea is supporting what the cells wants to do even when at these extremely high concentrations. ANDREW MURRAY: So it is little bit similar to the electronic state structuring water when we talk about structured water, do you think. RAY PEAT: Yeah, yeah, it’s exactly what the oxidative system is doing to the electrons, it is preventing an accessible electron and toxins and carcinogen and radiation are doing exactly the opposite. They are putting too many loose electrons into the wrong places. ANDREW MURRAY: Alright, by your description too many loose electrons, we can imagine those as being what they call the damaging free radicals and things like. RAY PEAT: Even more extensive about that it’s

00:12:54 > the chemical system of the proteins contains a lot of sulfhydryl compounds, glutathione that a lot of doctors are using intravenously as an anti-stress thing. This is a sulphur compound maintained by energy rich fuel molecules, but it maintains a certain degree of oxidation in balance with sulfhydryl groups attached to the proteins and the proteins are in there like a reservoir of electrons at the right energy level and the oxygen metabolism besides providing ATP and other forms of energy is preventing an overflow of loose electrons getting into the structure of the proteins,

00:13:56 > and too many electrons will dedifferentiate the cell moving towards non- oxidative energy production and the formation of lactic acid, which can start vicious circles. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. Because I know I read several abstracts, if you like, yeah, published pieces of work done with various groups of people with cancers. I know he worked on liver cancer was something I believe we bought out two months ago. The treatment and approach to liver cancer with urea. I know he worked a lot with people that had liver primaries and or secondaries, but the ocular cancers, the cancers of the eye that the melanomas and the basal cell carcinomas that was pretty interesting the way urea again was used in the treatment of those ocular cancers.

00:14:58 > RAY PEAT: These articles on that have photographs that show very vividly the correction, the elimination of the cancer and restoration of normal tissue and one of the interesting things about urea is that these very high concentrations is so stabilizing to normal tissue that it prevents the formation of deforming scars. In 1935 publication, someone was describing its use in treating wounds of all kinds, packing crystals right into the wound or the ulcer or whatever was an open damage to the organism, putting the solid urea into it and leaving it

00:16:00 > would clear up the infection and stimulate healing but it would heal without visible scarring. ANDREW MURRAY: I read that and promoted a fairly rapid granulation tissue in the wounds and that was part of its mechanism by which it achieved such good wound healing. RAY PEAT: Yeah. I was seeing a story about African spiny mouse that can regenerate its tissue very quickly like they mentioned that punching a hole in the skin it could close the wound by almost two-thirds in the first day and in three or four days the wound would be healed without a scar. ANDREW MURRAY: This I think from an energy's perspective it is quite interesting. It’s a bit of a sidetrack from the subject, but young children and young adults, they heel rapidly compared to the older people

00:17:02 > and that is got to be down to an electronic energy state within the organism correct. RAY PEAT: Yeah, the oxidative metabolism slows down from early embryonic development down to old age; there is a steady decrease of oxidative metabolism. ANDREW MURRAY: It is a downfall of all of this who are gradually aging. Okay so in order to stave off that kind of electronic degradation and the inability to oxidative repair. What you think are some of the best tactics that people can use to maintain the ability to stave off that damage. RAY PEAT: In the uterus the developing embryo also heals without scarring and

00:18:04 > I think two factors are involved in that the high carbon dioxide level and the higher urea and related compounds and the amniotic fluid. These in the adult also pure carbon dioxide gas can be blown into an ulcer and stimulate healing, control other symptoms, reduce the insulin, but I think as soon as an organism is born it starts interacting with the outside environment where in the uterus it was getting its energy filtered through the placenta and making its own fat out of the glucose and fructose that were provided to it, and the organism using carbohydrate for energy

00:19:06 > produces saturated fats or Omega - 9 unsaturated fats and when they come into the world were exposed to the fats produced by organisms living at a lower temperature generally and the colder a plant is exposed to the more unsaturated it’s fats are and there of a different type and we would make our cells and those interrupt our oxidative metabolism to the extent that we become saturated with them and that happens progressively from the time we are born in old age generally. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. Welcome to this month's Ask Your Herb Doctor, again we are very proud to have Dr. Peat sharing his expertise who is on the show from 7:30 to 8o'clock you're invited to call

00:20:08 > him with any questions either related or unrelated to this month’s subject of urea and the treatment of cancers with urea. And then, in a bit here, we’re going to get into some of the mistaken lies, in fact maybe even purposeful lies that are portrayed in the media from various supplement companies and big industry related to estrogen and bone health and cancers and fighter estrogen's role in that. So if you live in the area the number is 923-3911 or there is a toll-free number if you live outside the area is 1-800 -568- 3723. So Dr. Peat just going back to Dr. Danopoulos’s work with cancer, he had several or quite a few cases actually of cancers that were completely healed and I just find it so shocking when here is scientific evidence peer-reviewed in

00:21:10 > scientific magazines that are portraying various other experiments from drug companies and/or individual research from universities that showed what happened and I just find it hard to believe that this kind of thing doesn't perpetuate itself and become common knowledge to the point where it is actually taken out by academic institutes and made more viable. RAY PEAT: Medical journals depend on the pharmaceutical industry largely and urea that sells for about couple dollars or pounds which I think isn’t a very good drug especially a drug that cures. ANDREW MURRAY: Alright. RAY PEAT: Isn’t a good drug even if it is expensive. A cheap drug that cures just won’t work in medical system. ANDREW MURRAY: I wanted to bring these out just for those people that are listening and I think we will have free choice

00:22:12 > and to find information out for ourselves is always a good idea rather than just listening to whatever it is that were being told by whoever it is telling us. It is always very good I think especially in the age of the Internet, where I know there is lots of bad information on the Internet – it’s not to say it’s all good – but there is lots of places where you can go and you can read scientific medical information that you know it’s been researched and you know it has been pretty well scrutinized and one is telling you that this kind of thing is being used to treat a cancer it's very hard to ignore it. So I think just for those people that are listening perhaps they might want to look at Dr. Danopoulos’s work in the late 70s and in the early 80s and his approach to the treatment of liver disease with urea as well as the cancers of the eye and then I think the other thing I wanted to get into which is some of the amounts of the product and as you have already mentioned

00:23:14 > urea is extremely non -toxic, it's kind of odourless and tasteless and that doesn't really have anything negative going for. It is very well-tolerated. So I know some of the instances where he is quoting case histories here. I'll be using something like under one of the quotes, use 15 g of urea in a quart of water and this was to be drunk daily. So this was just a total amount of urea to be consumed every hour or so in the waking hour from 9 or 10 o'clock through till 6 or 7 in the afternoon so 15 g of urea and then there were injections that were done between 15 of 50%. I think the average was kind of 20 to 25% urea solution for skin tumors and that was found to be highly effective and then I know he mentions, this is a little bit different I think here in the states we use blood urea nitrogen but he was

00:24:16 > quoting blood urea as a level and quoting 75 to 85 mg percent. So do you know roughly what that would equate to 75 to 85 mg percent that would be. RAY PEAT: I think it requires taking quite a bit more than 15 g per day. Some of the studies were using up to 120 g per day divided up in doses of about 15 g at a time. ANDREW MURRAY: Interesting. RAY PEAT: And in the 1950s it was probably the main treatment used for brain swelling, reducing brain edema because a lot of people were thinking of it as an osmotic treatment and it was displaced by various osmotic substances

00:25:18 > with the idea that you would the make the blood hyperosmotic to draw the excess water out of the brain into the blood, but urea is not osmotically active because it goes right into the cells. And to be osmotically active, as like sodium, that stays outside the cell or like sucrose or some of the sugars that can’t be absorbed, but urea goes into the cell, sort of soothes the cell excitation, changes its electronic balance and let’s the cell excrete, give up the water that it does not need, very much the way progesterone and thyroid work, adjusting the electronic state, so that the ion exchange system and electronic

00:26:20 > affinity for water is down graded, so that it doesn't bind so much water. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. RAY PEAT: That same anti-edema effect is still here and there used for treating congestive heart failure. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. RAY PEAT: I was looking up the Mexican pharmacopeia and I see that they still list urea to treat the edema of heart failure because it's a diuretic. It makes the kidneys work better. It causes the muscles and other organs to not retain water so greedily. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. Okay. So you said, again, just to quote you again, up to 120 g a day you are saying. RAY PEAT: Yeah, for getting rid of excess water that was the amount they use. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay and then

00:27:22 > they also mentioned in conjunction with urea therapy, a compound cool creatine hydrate and saying that the two of these compounds together was even more effective at treating these cancers than the urea alone. Do you know much about creatinehydrate. RAY PEAT: No I think it is probably having some of the physical effects similar to urea but it also enters into the energy storage and management system. ANDREW MURRAY: Alright, okay. Alright, so those of you who listening like I said you know you can look on the Internet typing, doctor or professor Evangelos Danopoulos, and you can read all about his work with the liver cancer, eye cancers and other skin cancers with the treatment of urea so it might well be worth some people who have a compunction to do it to take a look. Okay the other thing that caught my attention, I don’t know it sounds kind of incredible and don’t

00:28:24 > mean to sound like I am laughing but is just a bit like the cancer thing. It is just hard to imagine that these things can go by and not make a big dent to a big impact because the next statement was the common, white and brown rock mushrooms and we are going to get into aromatase and breast cancer and a bit here with the discussion on isoflavones and soy and why what they tell you is not the truth actually and this is the fact. But the use of white and brown mushrooms to inhibit aromatase and prevent breast cell proliferation, they were talking about 10 g of mushroom a day, presumably this is cooked up because I know you have mentioned that regular white mushrooms and browns mushrooms actually contain a fairly carcinogenic compound but a 10 g of cooked mushrooms a day reduce breast cancer by 64% and then with the addition of a daily gram of green tea leaves, which we probably all those health-conscious people have probably had about the antioxidant

00:29:26 > benefits of green tea with the addition of a single gram of green tea leaves they get up to 89% reduction in breast cancer, I find that incredible. RAY PEAT: You will think that there would be more news about that. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. Okay. Anyway so that's the couple of thingsx that I want to bring out. We do have a couple of people I think who are waiting to take questions so with the engineer here I think he is going to be passing those people onto us here in a minute. Yeah, so I think we have a caller. You are the air and where are you from. CALLER: This is David from Missouri. ANDREW MURRAY: Hi, David what’s your question. CALLER: Well you know, when you were talking about urea it seems like to the years I have read about indigenous people around the world actually using urine product. ANDREW MURRAY: Right. CALLER: For medicinal purposes. Do you think why they intuitively knew that somehow that was the urea

00:30:28 > within the urine got healing properties, because those people are probably in a much cleaner environment it could be possible safe. ANDREW MURRAY: Dr. Peat do you think that there is anything to be said for the supposed sterility here of urine, given they don’t have a urinary tract infection but instability and the high concentration of urea in urine. RAY PEAT: Yeah, I have known quite a few people who did it regularly. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. RAY PEAT: And seemed extremely healthy. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. RAY PEAT: And it has been the Chinese use it for example and one of their interpretations was that it was the steroids they concentrated things like the metabolites of progesterone and pregnenolone from the urine. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. RAY PEAT: And use these to extend the lives of the kings and rich people.

00:31:30 > ANDREW MURRAY: Interesting. CALLER: Interesting, huh. Well Dr. Peat do you know the main things that you promote you know eating saturated fat, eating plenty of sunlight and a certain level of CO2, I am not sure exactly I asked this but if we were to work backwards on the physiology of the human body, it appears that evolution of humanity occurred in equatorial areas and possibly in more high-altitude areas and gets the warm climate would also be that you would probably needing more saturated fat in plants and baby and animals. If somebody you know take your philosophy seriously and start doing studies based on that idea, do you think they would find that is how man

00:32:32 > and that moving away from the equator is where a lot of the problems are occurring for the human organism. RAY PEAT: Yeah, that is my orientation on the issue of origins, high-altitude, warm climate, lots of fruit and all foods would be more saturated in a more equatorial environment. CALLER: Do you think ingeneral that people studying science know that that is the case or probably not because they are not warning us about polyunsaturated fats and they are not telling us we need more sunlight. They must be oblivious to that, I guess. RAY PEAT: I ran across publications in some of the early well-known food journals 40 to 50 years ago showing that the fats vary with

00:33:34 > the climate and that the fats have a definite function, some of them are functioning to protect the plants against animal predators by poisoning them so they put lots of unsaturated fats in their seeds that was recognized 40 years ago that the seed oils are biological. It all seems like if somebody kept in their mind that you know we did evolve from a equatorial area that we do need lots of sunlight, we do need certain types of food that it could actually kind of guide you. It's like so many people just don't get it that they're not getting enough sunlight furthermore and it is almost like if they were reminded that your organism actually is adapted to

00:34:36 > an equatorial situation that they would think more about that you know. RAY PEAT: Yeah and previously when it was summer in high latitudes, people were outside, farming, herding the sheep or whatever getting lots of sunlight exposure and in the last 100 years people have sort of moved indoors and gotten sicker. I think largely from deficiency of sunlight. ANDREW MURRAY: I don’t want to interpret too much but we do have three other callers on the line so I just want to be fair to make sure everyone gets a fair chance. CALLER: Okay. Thank you. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. Thank you for your question, and thank you Dr. Peat. We will move on to next person, so the other two get a chance. Next caller, you are on the air and where are you from? CALLER: From Arcata, California. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay, yeah go ahead, what’s your question.

00:35:38 > CALLER: You were going to talk about fish oil, and I have taken fish oil, and I'm hearing you were going to talk about the negative effects [inaudible]. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah, it’s unfortunate that the research is out there does not make it to the popular mainstream as quickly as it would be good if it did. It is certainly taking a U-turn now and I know Dr. Peat you spend quite a lot of your life researching the polyunsaturated and how damaging they are. If you want to briefly give the gentleman caller a synopsis of the polyunsaturated especially the fish oil and how damaging it is for you. I think it would be good for him to hear that. RAY PEAT: The majority of the oils that we store are unsaturated. Our cells prefer to oxidize saturated fats and so even when we eat a mixed fat diet

00:36:40 > our tissues with aging tend to load up on the unsaturated and the n -3 fat of the double bonds are farther from the acidic and which is what is handled biologically and the acid protects against oxidation, so the n-3 fats are more unstable in the presence of oxygen and so we don't store so much of those. So with aging, our bloodstream – every time we’re slightly stressed, our bloodstream gets a fairly high concentration of n-6 fatty acids which produce the toxic prostaglandins that produce brain cell damage and inflammation and so on. And so if you take

00:37:42 > a meal, a fish or eat some fish oil these oxidize very quickly and form compounds that will interfere with the formation of prostaglandins, but in doing that they are also suppressing the immune system but you get temporary relief to the extent that you're overloaded with the most toxic n-6 fatty acids. So the people experience some relief of inflammation when they take fish oil but in the long run that’s doing its own damage because it's so highly oxidizable. In some experiments the n-3 fats increased the metastatic spread of cancer cells. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay did you get that caller.

00:38:44 > CALLER: Yes I did. What would you recommend for something that would or substance that we take that would promote healthy brain function or maybe even regeneration of brain cells instead of fish oil. ANDREW MURRAY: Well I know Dr. Peat definitely espouses the saturated fats as very protective, both stabilizing cell membranes, being cardiovascularly protective, which is not what you’ll hear if you read the newspapers or magazine articles but in terms of the anti-inflammatory effects the saturated fat is definitely better in with brain functions, stabilizing the membranes and brains that the saturated fats are certainly going to be the protective compounds. So coconut oil, palm oil, butter, animal fats and I am going to say a caveat to add to the statement animal fat, you need to make sure the animals are certified organic otherwise most of all the residues of

00:39:46 > whatever pesticides or hormones or antibiotics that are treated with will wind up in their fat, so you don't want to eat the fat of a nonorganic animal. RAY PEAT: And it depends on what fat the animals were being fed, chickens are highly polyunsaturated, pork for the last 50 years has been very full of polyunsaturated fats even though lots of science papers are treating lard as a saturated fat with 35% or so of PUFA in it, definitely a risky fat. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay, so we do have three more callers on the line, Dr. Peat. So thank you for your call and let’s move onto the next callers. So next one, you are on the air and where are you from. Hello. CALLER: Hi, is it me? ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah, you are on the air and where are you from. CALLER: Alright.[inaudible]. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay, fairly local. What is your question? CALLER: Okay. My question has to do with breast health and I know you’re going to address that in the future on

00:40:48 > the program. What I would like to ask is that you addressed urea in reference to breast health and particularly fibroids. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay Dr. Peat did you hear that, the reference to breast health and fibroids and the benefits of urea. RAY PEAT: I don't know of any particular treatments or programs for those with urea but the diet that favors the formation of urea rather than its antithesis nitric oxide. It happens that the amino acid arginine can either form nitric oxide or urea and irritants, anything toxic, tends to shifted away from forming urea

00:41:50 > and going to nitric oxide. So avoiding the polyunsaturated fats helps you maintain the proper amount of urea formation. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay, caller, I don’t know if you heard the earlier part of the show. I wasn’t making a reference – or we weren’t making references to urea specifically to breast health but we were – if we have the time here enough otherwise we’ll do it next month – we were going to get into the common lies and mistakes that people are told about polyunsaturated oils and estrogen and its supposed health benefits because there is plenty of scientific evidence to show that estrogens are actually very damaging and that in terms of breast health and fibroids I know Dr. Peat you would agree that estrogen is probably one of the main contributory factors for fibroids. RAY PEAT: Oh definitely all thyroid causes the ratio of estrogen to progesterone and androgens to be very high and both endometriosis,

00:42:52 > uterine fibroids and also breast fibrocystic disease all of these go with high estrogen, low progesterone and low thyroid function. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay caller is that of help in anyway. CALLER: Yeah it does thank you very much. I just was curious because cancers have been talked about in relation to urea [inaudible] to the breast as well. So that is a good answer. Thank you so much. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay you are welcome. Like I said if we get a chance here we will get into the negative effects of estrogen and talk about isoflavones, but we do have a couple more callers. Let’s take this next caller. Caller you are on air and where are you from. CALLER: Hello. ANDREW MURRAY: Hi, you are on air and where are you from. CALLER: Hi. I am over the hill [inaudible]. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay and what’s your question. CALLER: Bad insomnia, I take three blood pressure pills for high blood pressure and I sleep maybe 1 to 2 hours and it takes

00:43:54 > an hour to two hours to go back to sleep and I am just exhausted. I can’t nap. I get anxiety attacks, I have shingles and I heard that tart cherry juice 1 to 2 ounces helps sleep. ANDREW MURRAY: What was that product again. CALLER: Tart cherry juice. ANDREW MURRAY: Tart cherry juice. CALLER: I heard that on Dr. Oz and haven't tried that. But everything I’ve tried over-the-counter, medications, nothing helped. ANDREW MURRAY: No, I bet. Dr. Peat, you are going to say this is… CALLER: I will take my answer off the air. That way I could write. ANDREW MURRAY: Sure. Okay, Dr. Peat, it’s probably an over-adrenaline situation, but how would you best describe to this lady what she could do to get some sleep? RAY PEAT: Checking and having a test for thyroid function is important. CALLER: My sister has Graves’ disease. ANDREW MURRAY: There you go. ANDREW MURRAY: Go ahead Dr. Peat. RAY PEAT: The

00:44:56 > blood sugar is always a problem at night. The effect of daylight is to maintain efficient oxidative metabolism and just 15 minutes of darkness is enough to lower the efficiency of mitochondrial respiration until keeping very bright lights right up until bedtime will minimize the fall of blood sugar but having carbohydrate meal late in the afternoon or before bed, a glass of orange juice or milk with honey, sometimes just the dose of sugar is enough to put you to sleep for an hour and a half or two hours and it takes time for the liver to start storing glycogen so it's good

00:45:58 > to have another glass ready for when you wake up or have another dose of orange juice or milk and sugar. And salty things and salty snacks at bedtime help to stabilize the blood sugar and energy production, so like a milk and maybe salty tortilla chips or a puffed pork rinds something a salty snack as well as… CALLER: Even with high blood pressure, is this okay? [inaudible] so low now. RAY PEAT: You have to take into account, what drug you're taking, but vitamin K is a very important nutrient for regulating blood sugar, blood calcium and blood pressure. I have known people who in a week or two lowered the blood pressure

00:47:00 > by 100 points, 240 to 140 systolic pressure. CALLER: Really from taking vitamin K. RAY PEAT: Yeah. And if you already have normal blood pressure you have to be cautious and watch what’s happening if you supplement large amounts of vitamin K. CALLER: How much would I take in milligrams? Probably not much. RAY PEAT: 5 or 10 mg is a pretty safe dose. CALLER: How about vitamin D. RAY PEAT: That’s essential If you aren’t getting regular sunlight or using a D supplement you probably should have a blood test because low blood vitamin D found around 20 on the scale should be around 50 points between 30 and the 100 just is the normal range. CALLER: Okay, I am sorry to interrupt. So just get a complete blood panel like.

00:48:02 > RAY PEAT: You have to ask for a specific vitamin D3 test. CALLER: Oh, vitamin D3 test. Okay. RAY PEAT: You don't want the activated vitamin D. It is a 25 -hydroxycholecalciferol that you want to measure and that is very important. Both vitamin K and vitamin D prevent the excitatory access and so it’s essential to have your calcium regulated. CALLER: Could I ask you how I could speak to you. You have an office in Garberville?. ANDREW MURRAY: Dr. Peat does not have an office in Garberville but I do. If you wanted you could consult with me at any point in time. You can just contact me on Monday through Friday. I'll give the number at the end of the show. CALLER: Okay great. Thank you very, very much. Thank you, good bye. ANDREW MURRAY: You are welcome. You are welcome. CALLER: A lot. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah, you are welcome. CALLER: Bye, bye. ANDREW MURRAY: Thank you. We do have two more callers on the air.

00:49:04 > So let’s take the next caller. Caller you are on the air and where are you from. CALLER: Hello. ANDREW MURRAY: Hi, you are on the air. CALLER: Okay I have got a couple of questions, one, I want to know about this urea, if it’s so good for cancer and you say even cancer of the liver, I know liver cancer is very difficult to treat why is this not a more popular treatment. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah it is a good question. I don’t want to say its conspiracy, but I think sometimes simple things get buried and I think the truth is that when things are so simple they'll quickly get buried under pile of papers that is supporting the latest and greatest treatments and as we know there is no real treatment for cancer. I think the cancer industry probably has one of the worst track records going for cures. CALLER: What it seems like, I mean I have a friend that has got over cancer with radiation and chemotherapy and she has beat it and she had couple of large tumors, so these things do work, maybe not always 100%, but more than they used to. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah, I think there are lots of things that account for though

00:50:06 > in terms of relapses with initial treatments, but it is not to say that everybody you know gets a relapse and ends up with cancer down the line. The five-year mortality for cancers of postoperative are pretty poor in most cases. Not many chances are that truly resolved. CALLER: Well they give a little time anyway. If they don’t do anything they die. ANDREW MURRAY: Oh yeah. CALLER: Now the other thing I wanted to know is I was taking something called glucosamine and MSM for joint flexibility. What is this MSM?. Do you know what that is? They said it was a sulphur that yourselves needed or something. Is that important? Should they take as a supplement? ANDREW MURRAY: It is a sulphur compound but I don’t know, Dr. Peat, what you have to say about MSM. RAY PEAT: I think you should be very cautious and read some of the actual research articles on PubMed

00:51:08 > about it and the glucosamine which was CALLER: Glucosamine with MSM. RAY PEAT: The glucosamine is suspected of being a factor in creating diabetes if you take too much of it for too long. CALLER: Oh, but what about the MSM, what is the problem with that? RAY PEAT: That it can be toxic in itself. CALLER: Toxic how, I mean how much that would that be. It is what they told me was that it was something that was that yourselves needed to be healthy. RAY PEAT: No cells definitely don't need it, but it’s tolerated in fairly large amounts but it can also be toxic in those amount. CALLER: Okay so what were the amounts that are safe.

00:52:10 > RAY PEAT: Well, I wouldn’t. CALLER: You don’t know. Okay the other one thing, I want to ask you know you were saying that fish oil is not so good, but what I heard that fish oil like omega-3 are really good for the heart. What you think about that? RAY PEAT: No studies have all ended up pretty negative. CALLER: What studies are negative. RAY PEAT: When it’s used for a short period, you can do things like lowering cholesterol and lowering blood pressure but it ends up with the toxic immuno suppressive effects. ANDREW MURRAY: And also as thyroid suppressive effects are very negatively impacting the energy supply and the energy production. CALLER: You saying that the omega-3

00:53:12 > lowers the thyroid function. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah, specifically thyroid toxics. CALLER: Really. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. CALLER: I have to take thyroid. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah, okay so they produce the by-products of these polyunsaturated oils, the lipofuscin is one of the main thyroid suppressive compounds and indeed as Dr. Peat says whilst in a short term somebody who has plaques, psoriasis may benefit from it. The actual reason for it is that the immune system itself is being impacted negatively and suppressed and so therefore there is not such excitation going on with rapid cell turnover and the immune system. CALLER: Then why is it so popular. ANDREW MURRAY: It is so popular because it is an extremely profitable product. CALLER: Like margarine. ANDREW MURRAY: It is a waste product. CALLER: Okay. One more thing, sesame [inaudible] that’s made out of sesame seed, is that...? ANDREW MURRAY: The same problem. It is a liquid oil. It is polyunsaturated. People don't get oil out of nuts and seeds, you know it just doesn't happen, a very small

00:54:14 > amounts and so to consume either sesame or Brazil nut or peanut or whatever nut oil it is consuming a lot of the product that you would never normally get exposed to and this is a whole rationale behind understanding the negative impacts of these oils. CALLER: So you don’t think that sesame seed has good stuff for you. ANDREW MURRAY: No none of it, a very easily rancify, the extremely quickly oxidize and turn into sticky goo on the top of the jar. If anybody can take the top of a canola jar or fish oil bottle and you see how sticky it is and that is because your oil was been so quickly oxidized and in your body the same thing happens and the oxidative damage is extremely damaging. CALLER: Oh you can tell that’s rancid by the smell and the taste that is very obvious. ANDREW MURRAY: Coconut oil does not go rancid. You could keep coconut oil for years and it will not go rancid because it's so stable. CALLER: Any nuts good for you. ANDREW MURRAY: Not really, I think the one of the only nuts that might be worth a mention perhaps is the Mauna Loa produced macadamia nuts. CALLER: I was seeing on Dr. Oz

00:55:16 > that he said the cashew nuts were very healthy. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah, unfortunately no. CALLER: Okay, okay and what about CoQ10, is that a good thing to take. ANDREW MURRAY: Dr. Peat what you have to say about CoQ10. RAY PEAT: I think it is good. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. CALLER: It’s good. RAY PEAT: It works with vitamin K to stabilize energy production. CALLER: Okay does vitamin K help vitamin D work better. RAY PEAT: Yeah they both do different things but they regulate calcium and vitamin K has that extra function of stabilizing energy and brain chemistry. CALLER: Alright, well thank you very much. ANDREW MURRAY: Thank you. CALLER: Bye, bye. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah, thank you. We did have another caller but if we can get this next caller, next question asked and answered in a couple of minutes, Dr. Peat, that would be great. RAY PEAT: Okay. ANDREW MURRAY: Go ahead caller, you are on the air and where are you from. CALLER: Yes, hello, I am calling from Bellevue, Idaho and I would like to know you discussed how it takes four years to change the saturated fat ratio of yourselves to a healthy range,

00:56:18 > what if you're overweight then does it take longer to achieve this healthy ratio. RAY PEAT: Yeah. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. So okay Dr. Peat how would you suggest that somebody who was – I don’t know if the person is, but if somebody was obese, for example, and they had all this excess body fat, which naturally would be pretty highly unsaturated. How would they go about changing the composition of their fat not only by changing their diet to only include saturated fats but how would they gently exercise and lose weight to do that safely. RAY PEAT: Having your thyroid at the right level is one thing and supplementing vitamin E because when you're losing stored fat it's going to travel through your bloodstream and so you want to have a steady supply of vitamin E coming in maybe 50 mg a day would help and a lot of fruits, orange juice for example has

00:57:20 > a safe antioxidants besides vitamin C that protect your blood vessels as the fat is being removed and keeping your temperature steady at 98.6 or close to it during the daytime keeps you burning your energy productively rather than distractedly. ANDREW MURRAY: So caller, there you go. CALLER: Well, then as long as you retain the weight then, you still have an issue then with unsaturated fat cells. Is that correct? RAY PEAT: Yeah, when you lose the fat you're going to expose your tissues to that polyunsaturated fat that is in storage and if you keep your liver energetic with a good diet and of protein 80 to 100 g a day of good protein

00:58:22 > and keep your thyroid function up, your liver will be able to dispose of some of that unsaturated fat as a toxin without having to oxidize it. ANDREW MURRAY: So gentle exercise keep self warm, makes thyroid functions working well, consume saturated fats, lots of OJ and other fructose containing fruits and or fruit juices to speed up your metabolism and then coconut oil, all of this is a the rmogenic alternative to polyunsaturates as a saturated fat. Okay well unfortunately that’s all we have time for so thanks to those people who have called in. I just want to give people a reminder of how they can find more of Dr. Peat’s reference material on site. Thank you so much for joining us Dr. Peat. Okay thank you. Okay so on the Internet www. raypeat.com lots of scholarly articles, fully referenced research material, it is not hocus-pocus it's all

research materials, just like Dr. Danopoulos with the stunning results of liver cancer as well as skin cancers and ocular cancers. There is lots of alternatives out there and it is not wacko, it is just unfortunate that it is not mainstream just because it doesn't make too much money I suspect. Anyway for those of you who have joined us, thanks very much for tuning in. We will be back the next month, third Friday of the month from 7 till 8 PM. My name is Andrew Murray. We can be reached at 1-888-WBM herb for consultations or questions Monday through Friday. Good night.