Herb Doctors: Water Quality, Atmospheric CO2, And Climate Change

PODCAST | Ray Peat

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00:00:00 > ANDREW MURRAY: Welcome to Ask Your Herb Doctor.

00:01:10 > ANDREW MURRAY: My name is Andrew Murray. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: My name is Sarah SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Johannesen Murray. ANDREW MURRAY: For those of you perhaps who have never listened to the shows before, which run every third Friday of the month from 7 PM till 8 PM, we’re both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England and graduated there with a Master’s degree in Herbal Medicine. Okay. So I am going to start intro a little bit differently this month. Thank you so much for joining us. As always, we will run the call-in lines live from 7:30 till 8 o’ clock. I’ll be very keen to have people asking questions about the relevant subjects that we’re going to bring out this evening, but if you do have any other questions, feel free. So let we see here. Let’s just get straight into introducing Dr. Peat. And we’ll go from there. I’d explain what we are going to be talking about after we’ve introduced Dr. Peat this evening. ANDREW MURRAY: So, Dr. Peat, are you with us? RAY PEAT: Yes. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay, thanks so much joining us. As always, very happy, very pleased, very

00:02:12 > honored to have you on the show, giving your time freely, the way you have done countless times, not just for us, but for other radio shows I know across America. For those people who perhaps have never heard of you before, I think they’re gradually decreasing in numbers as the Internet gets more coverage and people spread the truth – let’s not say the new, but the truth about what it is you’ve been exposing for the last 40 years in terms of mainstream medicine and the ideology and dogma that’s pervaded most of mainstream media and ideology. Would you just let people know where your educational and academic background is from and the kind of subjects that you’ve been specializing in before we open up tonight topics? RAY PEAT: From 1968 to 1972, I studied at the University of Oregon, biology, specializing in physiology, especially reproductive aging physiology. Before that, it was linguistics

00:03:14 > and literature, mostly. And since then, I’ve been studying the implications of the research I did for my PhD. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. I know. Your kind of specialty, you say, is thyroid and hormones, reproductive hormones. Yeah. Okay, so I know we’ve covered some of the contents of what we’re going to bring out tonight. For tonight’s topics, I wanted to carry on with the kind of loosely termed nitrosamines formed. I know we’ve talked about it in food, but also as a component of water. So I wanted to get into water quality. I’ve got a few articles to cover and a couple of fairly recent mandates by the EPA and how that ties into the policies that are being formed in America. In allegiance with United Nations and how the United Nations’ mandates

00:04:16 > in America are becoming more influential and how that relates constitutionally to how things are actually enacted here in America, having a constitutional like we do. So I wanted to mention a gentleman called Richard Radcliffe and he is a chemist and a water resource engineer and he studied water for 15 years or so. And he states that there is hundreds, if not thousands of disinfection byproducts that form when chlorine is added to water to disinfect. And the scary thing, he says, -- he studied it for 15 years – that they can only identify about 50% of them and most are likely to be carcinogenic. He said that we simply don’t know all the byproducts they’re creating by disinfecting water with chlorine. Now, for us – as a side note, but for us, obviously, we manufacture medicinal herbs. We use spring water. We’re very fortunate that we don’t live in the city. We don’t use municipal water. If I did, I would be using bottled water or spring water or water from some other non- municipal source anyway because the very idea

00:05:18 > of having chlorine in the water and creating some kind of medicine from this is abhorrent. But what’s your view of chlorine in the water and how it interacts with the organic components that are still present, even though, to some extent, it’s filtered and micro filtered and they’re byproducts and how that relates to human health? RAY PEAT: Some city water departments have discovered that it’s a doable to use ultraviolet light or peroxide – hydrogen peroxide or ozone, various oxidizing methods that don't leave any residue. In fact, they tend to oxidize and detoxify any of the chemical contaminants that are in the water. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: I did hear from the Redway

00:06:20 > Water Department that they are thinking – or the Garberville Redway area, our local area here – that they are thinking of using ultraviolet light to start disinfecting the water. And, Michael, did you have something SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: to say? SOUND ENGINEER: I can comment. I'm actually on the Redway board. We do have a spring that’s coming on, which is very, very clean water to begin with, and we’re planning on using an ultraviolet light to disinfect that. But the state still makes us chlorinate it. There’s a bunch of different things. I think the ultraviolet light does not kill some sort like giardia or something . It’s a tough technology to work and I personally am very, very interested in it because as much as our health is impacted, it’s also what comes out the sewage waste is treated and any chromium, for instance, you have in that, instead of being divalent chromium, becomes hexavalent chromium and there’s lots... ANDREW MURRAY: We use UV after as a post-treatment, so ANDREW MURRAY: everything gets filtered first. MICHAEL: Yeah. A good filtration helps a lot. But for city water, the state really makes you chlorinate stuff. And any of

00:07:22 > the “spring water” that you're buying, any commercial water you bought has been treated with chlorine and hyper-filtered, so it's much more cost-efficient to buy the very best filter you can and use that on the municipal water because they're using municipal water MICHAEL: at the water spring. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Even in our local South Fork Mountain water? MICHAEL: Maybe not that, but you’d have to check. They’re certainly chlorinating it before they’re reverse osmosing it. I am not 100% sure, but really check your source. And any of the mainstream waters are owned by Coca-Cola and PepsiCo. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: I know. I know. We know that. Smart Water. It’s not smart. ANDREW MURRAY: Getting back to you, Dr. Peat, and your take on the chlorination issue. RAY PEAT: Well, If you have to use city water, I think it’s good to at least let it stand in an open container for 12 hours or so or heated through [inaudible] as much of the chlorine and organic chlorides as possible. ANDREW MURRAY: Do you have

00:08:24 > any experience either in research or just in the scientific literature about the effects of chlorine reacting with organic compounds to form toxic byproducts? RAY PEAT: No particular research, but chlorine, it’s a very powerful oxidizer, and so it reacts with anything, any carbon compound that happens to be dissolved in water. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. Because the next thing that I found when I was looking at this is that chlorine seems to be somewhat going out of fashion. I know that when they pump water through municipal pipe work that because the network is getting so extensive now that – because chlorine is so volatile, some of the effectiveness of the chlorine has been reduced. And so, now, they are using chloramines – and this is a kind of compound

00:09:26 > ammonia – and chlorine together. It’s a lot more persistent. You can't just let it evaporate in a container or anything like that. It’s extremely hard to filter out, believe it or not. I think you have to have a very good quality carbon wrap filter in order to bind those compounds to it. But I think probably what was more interesting was that the toxic byproducts from chloramination are far more – it was stated it’s 1000 times more toxic. Have you heard of chloramination? RAY PEAT: Just vaguely. But it’s relating to the research that started around 1970 on the nitrosamines. The chloramine largely breaks down to form the nitrosamines. ANDREW MURRAY: Oh, yeah. RAY PEAT: The NDMA,

00:10:28 > nitrosodimethylamine, and I think there is pressure from the food and agricultural industry through propaganda that the nitrosamines aren’t carcinogenic, which they were published to be 40-some years ago because it is profitable to fertilize heavily with nitrogen fertilizer and also to preserve foods with nitrates and nitrites. And so there's a lot of propagandistic science publication going on, saying that rather than being toxic, the nitrites and nitrates and even the nitrosamines, they are not only supposed to be non-carcinogenic, but they’re now saying that they’re even beneficial to the health, reducing heart disease

00:11:30 > and reducing cancer and helping to build RAY PEAT: muscle and so on. ANDREW MURRAY: Because these are the very things they have been saying are carcinogenic about nitrates in meats that’s kept – you treat it with nitrates and…? RAY PEAT: Yeah. That was a big thing around 1970 when they saw that babies that were fed pureed spinach, for example, sometimes turned blue because of the interference of the... ANDREW MURRAY: Hemoglobin. RAY PEAT: Yeah. Making the hemoglobin unable to carry oxygen. ANDREW MURRAY: [inaudible] to hemoglobin, isn’t it? RAY PEAT: Yeah. The nitrates do that even when we make them internally from proteins under stress. But because of the food industry concern about selling their products, there has been this reaction saying that it was

00:12:32 > only a few farms that had nitrate contaminated water that really were causing the RAY PEAT: baby problems. ANDREW MURRAY: Right. This would have been from kind of chemical runoff fertilizer or manure runoff. RAY PEAT: Yeah. And they tried to reduce it to nothing but the blue baby phenomenon and to distract attention from the really universally- recognized, tumor- promoting potential of all of the nitrates and nitrites and nitrosamines. ANDREW MURRAY: I also understand that this compound – chloramine is extremely toxic to kidney dialysis patients. They can't use water for dialyzing if it’s been treated with chloramine and is extremely toxic to fish. Yeah. Did you hear that, Dr. Peat? RAY PEAT: Yeah. ANDREW MURRAY: Sorry, okay.

00:13:36 > SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Michael, our engineer, has something to tell us about the chloramines. SOUND ENGINEER: Just that they are super, super toxic. And the Triclosan hand sanitizers, they’re all that same chemistry. Actually, I first enquired at my water district long before I was on the board about whether we used chlorine or chloramines because I grew up in the Bay Area where they use chloramines. And apparently, our chemical – we asked – the office asked and our chemical supplier said I wouldn’t even sell that poison. So that’s someone who sells chlorine for a living. He claims he wouldn’t even sell that “poison,” the chloramine. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: So the Redway Garberville water SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: is treated with chlorine. SOUND ENGINEER: The Redway water. Garberville, I believe, is too, but we’re SOUND ENGINEER: separate. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Oh, okay. Sorry. SOUND ENGINEER: Almost everyone is using chlorine these days. But, obviously, some people also still using chloramine. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Thank you, Michael. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. You’re listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD Garberville 91. 1 FM. From 7: 30 till the end of the show at 8 o'clock, you’re invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated to this month’s subject of water quality. We are going to be

00:14:38 > getting into global warming and a couple of other controversial subjects. Let’s just leave it at that until we get to the point here. Okay. So, Dr. Peat, getting on to the potential toxins, if you like, from the byproducts of breakdown reacting with chlorine and chloramines, surely – and again, it is a kind of a difficult question, just to say what do you do because it really is a consequence of just more than living where we are all living in - - we don’t fortunately, but in a modern living in cities, having the government take care of your water supply rather than you taking care of it and then the government coming up with these kind of policies, like chlorine and chloramine, without – and having this kind of lesser of two evils rationale for it that there is far few people hurt from the toxic

00:15:40 > byproducts and there’s that we’d die from dysentery or some other related fecal contamination or that kind of thing. How do you feel about city – you live in Eugene, don’t you? RAY PEAT: Yes. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. So do you do anything particularly to your water. RAY PEAT: Yeah. We always filter it. We never RAY PEAT: drink it… ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. RAY PEAT: …straight out of the faucet, even though it comes from the Mackenzie River, which is one of the least polluted rivers, but just because of the chlorine issue, we never drink plain water. ANDREW MURRAY: Right. RAY PEAT: And if you make coffee with city water, that’s one of the practical ways RAY PEAT: of filtering it. ANDREW MURRAY: Go on. RAY PEAT: Heavy metals are very efficiently bound to the coffee-ground, if you make the drip method coffee. ANDREW MURRAY: To the coffee grounds. RAY PEAT: Yeah. So you put in dirty water and you get clean coffee out

00:16:42 > the other end. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay, interesting. Okay. Michael said that there was somebody who is on the air? I don’t know if there is. If they are there, let’s take them and see. Okay, caller, you are on the air? Where are you from? CALLER: I'm from [inaudible]. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. Go ahead. What’s your question? CALLER: I want to ask the doctor what his opinion is of medical marijuana and the possibility of its use to everybody? ANDREW MURRAY: Okay, Dr. Peat. RAY PEAT: For its use for what? ANDREW MURRAY: He said ANDREW MURRAY: everybody. RAY PEAT: Well, RAY PEAT: when I was… CALLER: To the community, to the world. Medical marijuana is a wonderful thing. It can ease a lot of difficult situations. RAY PEAT: When I was about nine years old, a doctor prescribed marijuana and gave me a big paper bag,

00:17:44 > about – I don’t know – half a cubic foot of marijuana leaves to make a tea. And I took it every day until the bag was used up. But I wasn’t especially impressed by it. My problem was just migraines occasionally, but I know it is RAY PEAT: very good for... CALLER: You have to be very careful. It’s a very powerful herb and you want to just take the minute quantities of it in order to get the maximum gentle feeling of the drug. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. Thanks for your call, caller. CALLER: Okay. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. And also, I don’t know if anybody is listening, if they do want to call in, please don’t have your radio on. It really interferes with the dynamics here in the show. Okay. So, Dr. Peat, I also saw – whilst I was looking at the whole chloramination issue

00:18:46 > that there was a nationwide study on water treatment contaminants done by the EPA and it reported that chloraminated drinking water had the highest levels of an unregulated chemical family known as the iodoacids. Have you heard of it? I’ve never even heard of these things. RAY PEAT: No, I don’t know. ANDREW MURRAY: So they carried on to say that some researcher considered the iodoacids to be potentially the most toxic group of water treatment contaminants found to date. But they did also say that there’s still relatively little research on them. Okay. So that’s the water. I know that, as I said, kind of municipal entities want to keep themselves covered; and that, when the EPA allow these things, they are certainly not going to stop using them. Michael, what do you have…? MICHAEL: That means another caller. ANDREW MURRAY: Oh, okay. I wasn’t sure if he wanted to say something. Let’s take this next caller then. ANDREW MURRAY: Hi, caller. CALLER: Hello. ANDREW MURRAY: You are on the air. And where are you from? CALLER: Hi. I am in CALLER: Crescent City. ANDREW MURRAY: Crescent City? What’s your question? CALLER: I was doing other

00:19:48 > things when I heard you talk something about chlorine in the water. And I would notice, when I take a water bottle of water on a hike with me recently and I opened it up, I get a blast of chlorine gas coming out. And so, what I’ve started doing is, I have cups of water around the house, so I can drink water. And so, what I do know is, I fill a cup of water and then I just leave it sitting around. And it will out gas because chlorine is a gas. So there’s two products basically, I guess, you would be concerned about. One is the gas which is real easy to get rid of. You don’t need a filter. You just fill a bottle or a pot, let it sit around for a couple hours or days. I'm not sure how long. And then the other thing is the chlorine, it’s already reacted with biological or organic matter within your water. And that, you might, I suppose, get with a filter,

00:20:50 > although I don’t how much that is. So there’s two things. There’s that chlorine gas and then there’s molecules or organic matter that has reacted with chlorine that’s probably not going to out gas, which you might want to filter if you think there is a lot of that. But I have a haunch that most of it is the gas. And if you just simply let it sit out in the air for hours or days – I'm not sure how long – and you know how you could tell? Just let – letting it sit out different amounts of time and then put it into a bottle and let it sit in the bottle for a long time and then open the bottle and you can just smell it. You can smell down to – I don’t know – about 1 part per billion or something like that. ANDREW MURRAY: I think the whole point is the chlorine is actually the main culprit that is actually reacting with other organic compounds ANDREW MURRAY: to form... CALLER: Yeah. ANDREW MURRAY: …toxic byproducts. And, yes, you are right when you say, you can cap the product and take the top off and then the chlorine gas is released into atmosphere. But it’s more what we’re getting at here. And I am not saying that we shouldn’t do this. I'm just opening up for discussion

00:21:52 > as part of what we’re covering tonight is that the product itself, chlorine, produces a lot of toxic byproducts from the organic matter in the water, even small levels of which, some of those are extremely toxic, and the chloramine is even more potent at doing that. So it’s even worse. Thank you for your call. CALLER: Yes. Anyway, so that’s an experiment somebody could do about letting the water sit out different periods of time, then putting it into a bottle and letting it sit around for at least a day or two and then open the bottle and see if you can smell the chlorine and see how long it needs to sit around before the amount that you can detect with your nose. ANDREW MURRAY: All right. I appreciate you calling. Dr. Peat, I don’t want to cut you off if you wanted to add something to that because there is another caller on the line. RAY PEAT: Well, chloroform and other chlorinated hydrocarbons are volatile too. So they will gas out. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay,

00:22:54 > alright. So we have another caller here on the line. CALLER: Hello. ANDREW MURRAY: Hi, caller. Where are you from and what’s your question? CALLER: Fort Bragg. ANDREW MURRAY: Fort Bragg. What’s your question? CALLER: I just wondered if – the doctor might have some information on this and might not. I wanted to add regarding that. And that’s – what I was wondering about is, the best filtration system for everyone could use right now. And years ago, I was in marketing of water filters. At that time, we had pressed – very high quality, pressed carbon block filter. And that was supposed to be very good for taking out not just chlorine, but some of the organic trihalomethane that are produced RAY PEAT: by having chlorine in water. ANDREW MURRAY: Absolutely. We haven’t mention those, RAY PEAT: but you’re… CALLER: There’s another pretty rough stuff [inaudible] it would take that out. ANDREW MURRAY: Well, I’ve got an answer for you, but I will let Dr. Peat go first because I’d be curious… CALLER: One of the things I wanted to add, it is for someone who doesn’t – really can’t

00:23:56 > filter all the different locations in the home, then probably the best location is a shower as the CALLER: body is the largest organ. ANDREW MURRAY: That’s right. CALLER: You can always take drinking water out of a shower and put in the kitchen in a glass container CALLER: of some sort. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. CALLER: Anyway, CALLER: just a couple of thoughts. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. Good, good. Dr. Peat? RAY PEAT: Carbon does absorb and even destroy some of the compounds, but it isn’t a complete safety method. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. Well, I wanted to add to this that we use – and I have used this ever since we first started producing extracts probably because I’m British and I knew about it. But Royal Doulton is the China manufacturer in England that’s produced the fine bone china for over 100 years. And they developed and patented a process by which they produce ceramic filters,

00:24:58 > which go down to about two angstroms, I think. They’re extremely fine, submicron filter. That’s just the outside of it. They do a five stage filter where the outside of the shell is a microcrystalline ceramic and then they have a silver – like a colloidal silver membrane. They have an activated carbon block core with an ion exchange resin part of the filter too. So it takes out virtually everything. It leaves the minerals in. It leaves the taste of the water unchanged. It’s the only filter that I know that is actually actively endorsed by the World Health Organization. Not that I am endorsing the World Health Organization as an entity because – actually, we’re going to touch on a little bit of that little bit later, but I don’t want to get too political with it. So the World Health Organization actually endorsed this filter for use, especially in third world countries, where you can literally take

00:26:00 > pond water, pump it through this filter which does take at least 30 psi to get a reasonable flow from it. It’s not something you're probably going to do with a whole house. But for a drinking water faucet, it’s a very good way of producing excellent quality water that’s completely free of Giardia, all sorts of cysts, it takes out viruses, it binds ionically to any of those known positively- charged or even negatively-charged cations and anions in the water. It will take out all of the metal contaminations, things like manganese, all of that, but it would take out some of those more toxic ones, so mercury and other parts – I think it takes out silver and that kind of thing too. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: They do have a whole house system too. ANDREW MURRAY: They do. But I don’t think you’re going to get enough flow to get your shower turned. Now, the gentleman mentioned showers. And I know there is a quite a few different places that have shower

00:27:02 > heads that are filters with reported water rates, flow rates and reported reduction, especially of things like chlorine, that are ANDREW MURRAY: available. SOUND ENGINEER: I actually have one on my shower because I used to get such a strong chlorine smell and you get a much, much less chlorine smell after using – just it cost like $20. I got it at the health food store and it screws in between my nozzle SOUND ENGINEER: and the pipe. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Is it just a SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: little carbon block? SOUND ENGINEER: Yeah. And then it starts – I think it only lasts for a year or so, probably depending on how long your showers SOUND ENGINEER: are. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Excellent. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. So you’re listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD Garberville 91.1 FM. And from now until the end of the show at 8 o'clock, you’re invited to call in with either questions related to this month’s subject of water quality, global warming, amongst other things, and general government control, if you're like – of what is going on in the healthcare. So the number here if you live in the area is 923-3911. Or if you live outside the area, there is a toll-free number, 1-800 KMUD-

00:28:04 > RAD or 1-800-5 68-372 3. So, Dr. Peat, I did want to – I don’t want to get too political, but it’s an interesting subject because, again, we’re an alternative radio show, it’s an alternative radio station for crying out loud, I think the subject is definitely worth airing. At the end of the day, I have seen so much convincing scientific evidence to refute global warming that I think this is a subject that I would like to try and open up a little bit to get to some of the financial background behind some of the mandates that both the EPA and the government are putting into place to basically counter the supposed carbon dioxide threat to global warming. Because I know – and I wanted to bring this out, Dr. Peat, because I know that you’re passionately an advocate of carbon dioxide in living systems. And the people that

00:29:06 > I would point the radio listeners to, to go on the web and listen to this very, very well educated and eloquent – scientifically backed up by so many scientists around the world, people that have worked with NOAA in America, the North America – North Atlantic – no, NOAA is the – noaa.gov. It’s the north – no, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Sorry. Okay. So I wanted to talk a little bit about that because it ties so many different parts of what I know you have got a lot of information on. It ties in the financial corruption that there is in the world, which kind of makes medicine go in skewed directions really, sometimes not following the science, but following the money. And I think it's a very interesting subject that needs to be opened up, so that we can really hear the full debate about this. I think a lot of people unfortunately go along with it because

00:30:08 > it maybe just sounds that we are such an evil species producing such a lot of evil carbon dioxide that we need to be controlled when I know that this particular person, Lord Christopher Monckton, whose an English Lord. He has actually taken this upon himself as a fairly lifetime commitment to exposing the lies about global warming. And if people want to go to YouTube, his name is Christopher Monckton. And if you type into the YouTube search, Christopher Monckton climate change, you'll see quite a number of interviews of Christopher Monckton. Now, he presented himself at the Paris Climate talks. He’s been to the ICPP. And he delivered a speech to Congress in 2013 purely because Al Gore’s program – documentary that he got a Nobel prize for actually turned out to be so false

00:31:10 > and there were about 40 different statements in there that were proved to be false that the English government had to take it out of the curriculum in the schools. So, anyway, it’s interesting that there is always more than one side to any argument. And whilst I won’t just promote any one side, the truth is always out there. And I think science is always able to back it up. So that’s why I really appreciate what you bring to the table, Dr. Peat, because you’re a scientist. And people are going to say what they want, but if they don't have the evidence to back it up, it’s not really worth too much. So the whole global warming thing, your opinion on CO2, do you think we could do with less CO2 in the Earth than we have now and do you have much of a voice about the previous levels of CO2 and what it meant for plants and humans? RAY PEAT: Yeah. There was the Carboniferous age when there was just tremendous luxury and growth in vegetation because of high atmospheric carbon

00:32:12 > dioxide. One of the things that got me interested in the issue, I think it was 1969 that I saw the study correlating the ratio of babies’ head-size and chest circumference to the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. And this was showing evidence that brains were getting bigger as carbon dioxide increased. And there are several reasons why that would happen. The carbon dioxide in the atmosphere helps the body to retain its proper amount of CO2 and that inhibits wasteful lactic acid metabolism and stabilizes the nerves, so that they can rest more efficiently and so on.

00:33:16 > I think the general trend of the warming, currently, last 100 years or so, is being driven by the Sun’s normal cycle. Or as far as it can be determined, there are not only the 11-year cycles, but probably much larger cycles. And several astronomers have been showing evidence that the solar constant has been increasing in recent decades enough to fully account for the planetary warming that as far as that’s been established. ANDREW MURRAY: I saw from the presentation – I think it might have been part of Al Gore’s presentation when he got the Nobel Prize for this that there were three main warming periods in the period 1905 till 1913 or 1914. Two of them

00:34:18 > did not coincide with CO2 necessarily. The third one, which was one of the most recent, can be scientifically explained from satellite observations of decreased cloud cover. And this decreased cloud cover, particularly over the tropics, allows solar radiation to enter and strike the earth and, therefore, re-radiate. And this was actually a physical warming attribute. Actually, throughout the history of known data, there is actually very little evidence to support actual global warming. But, in fact, actual cooling in the last 17 years – the Earth has actually cooled. I know they’ve mentioned 2010, I think, is one of the warmest years on record and more evidence for global warming. But I’ve also seen evidence for Antarctic ice sheets increasing. I have seen polar bear species increasing in number, not decreasing. And what really worries me is the kind of mandate that the EPA would have on carbon and

00:35:20 > how carbon taxes folks. Carbon taxes are politically boundary-free, doesn’t matter how you vote or how you think politically. Everyone is going to pay carbon taxes. And I would put out to you that this global warming would definitely conspire to increase worldwide revenue from global carbon taxation and it further worsened the plight of third world countries. Now, it is the third world countries that need energy production, whether it's from coal-fired stations or other carbon sources. And third world countries are going to be very much disadvantaged by this taxation. The first world, the industrialized nations have already gone through their industrial growth from the benefit of coal, as an example, and I think this mandate is yet another mandate to keep the poor poor and maintain the elitist position. I think people that are in big government and big corporations actually have an exercise.

00:36:22 > So I’d encourage everyone to look at YouTube and to look at Lord Monckton's compelling evidence. He speaks before several government entities. He’s not just out there on his own, talking to the people in the church or the street corner. So I would encourage people to take a look at the evidence that he has because as a large number of recognized scientists and they come from places like NOAA and other government agencies even that are saying the evidence is actually not there. So I think there is another caller on the line here. So let’s get this next caller before we carry on with this topic. Hi, caller. You are on the air. CALLER: Hello. I have two things I wanted to be ask about CALLER: and then I want to get off the phone. ANDREW MURRAY: Sure. Where are you ANDREW MURRAY: from, caller, before I...? CALLER: And listen to it. First one is about carbon sequestration. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. CALLER: My understanding that what they do is, if they’re not going to cut the tree, that tree holds so much carbon and it can – one of these companies that are polluting can

00:37:24 > buy that carbon and continue to pollute and say, ‘oh, but I’m saying for this carbon to held in this tree.’ ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. CALLER: And then, my other thing that I wanted to talk about was airline travel. Everybody just went here, there or somewhere else. They got into an airplane and they circled around and they caused all this pollution… ANDREW MURRAY: The very people ANDREW MURRAY: that attended… CALLER: How many times does an airplane circle before it lands. ANDREW MURRAY: The very people that attended the Paris Climate Conference talks came in private aircraft. And it’s well known – there’s plenty of published evidence here to show these big private commercial jets that were brought in, carrying various dignitaries and leaders, etc., had landed on a private air field in France and the whole thing there was an extremely extravagant and costly affair. And the people that want to tell you that you should be paying carbon taxes are the very people that are going to be collecting carbon taxes from you. So, again,

00:38:26 > think of alternatives, people. Don’t just go along with the mainstream ideology because if you don't have an alternative, there will be no change. So in terms of carbon sequestration and paying to have carbon offset, follow the money. That’s all you’ve got to do, is follow the money. So I don’t know, is there another caller on the air? Let’s take this next caller and see where it’s going. Caller, you are on the air. Where are you from? CALLER: I am from here, south CALLER: Humboldt, I guess, let’s say. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. CALLER: I was wondering if you know anything about the Multipure filter. It’s sold around here. . SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Pardon. Can you say that again? CALLER: The Multipure. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Oh, the Multipure water SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: filter? CALLER: Yes. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Dr. Peat, do you have any knowledge of the Multipure water filter? RAY PEAT: No. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah. I think it’s a fairly basic... SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: I think it is a carbon block

00:39:28 > SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: filter. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah, I think it’s a... CALLER: [inaudible] a lot of everything. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah, I think it is... CALLER: The other thing is, global warming, I don’t know if it’s the carbon or the planets just moving close to the sun, but it does – I don’t see how you can change it because the glaciers [inaudible] and that the overall temperature has been going up. I’ve heard some of this debate or discussion start back in 19 50s. And so, I’ve been paying a little attention to it. And it seems that the overall is getting warmer, which is actually beneficial for people and the planet. Now, we have had a lot to do with it. Every war, every bomb, all the fireplaces, all the electromagnets in there, it’s all [inaudible]. ANDREW MURRAY: Let me go on ANDREW MURRAY: to say… CALLER: [inaudible].

00:40:30 > ANDREW MURRAY: Let me go on to say this that the EPA now has mandated a ban for 80% of wood burning stoves and boilers in seven US states. So... SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Yeah. Dr. Peat, are you aware of someone being told they couldn’t burn wood in Eugene? We’ve just gotten the news. ANDREW MURRAY: It’s in Oregon, yeah SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: I don’t know, was that Eugene or SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: somewhere else in Oregon? ANDREW MURRAY: No, I heard it was in Eugene. RAY PEAT: Yeah. Eugene has it. But for about 40 years, Eugene, every summer, was polluted to the point that the death rate from asthma patients peaked during the weeks that they were burning the grass fields. ANDREW MURRAY: They still do that. RAY PEAT: And it took really about 40 years. And what finally stopped that was a gigantic freeway pile up that killed some people, who then started suing and, finally, the politicians RAY PEAT: gradually… CALLER: The wood burning part of it, it’s plainly different to me.

00:41:32 > You’re talking about the carbon tax. It involves the oil [inaudible]. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. So, Dr. Peat, you are aware of what’s going on there in Oregon. RAY PEAT: Yeah. Almost everyone has stopped burning wood. It used to be very smoky. The mills would burn all of their trimmings and sawdust, so that the timber industry was really the main source of wood burning pollution. But since they cut forests down, there just isn’t that much wood available for heating. So I don’t think that’s as much of an issue as the absence of the forests because the forests are a major climate stabilizing factor by absorbing and releasing water and reflecting infrared

00:42:34 > and so on. ANDREW MURRAY: I thought it was quite strange that the two most controversial or the two most demonized compounds that the EPA wanted to regulate heavily were CO2 and water vapor, and both of those are exhaled by everybody. I don’t know. I won’t say it’s a conspiracy, but I’ll say it sounds like a conspiracy. I think there is a caller calling in here. Let’s just see where this next one’s going. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Dr. Peat, while we’re waiting, I remember you telling me about a rain forest. I don’t know if it was in the south of Mexico or somewhere else in South America, but you said that it had been cut down and then the weather changed, and then it became a SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: desert. RAY PEAT: Yeah. Just in the last few decades, I saw some of that happening. I used to travel on the train. And first, I would go through a countryside that had just

00:43:36 > been a few years before deforested and it was rolling green hills. Two or three years later, I would go through there and it was – there were canyons cut through the soil, erosion 30 or 40 feet deep just in a few years. And after the much of Southern Mexico, Oaxaca, was deforested, the climate changed so much that they were no longer able to grow corn every season. They could only get one corn crop per year rather than two or three. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: And so, the trees were actually bringing SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: in the moisture. RAY PEAT: And stabilizing the temperature. In summer, the area is cooled by the evaporation. If you don’t have the forest,

00:44:38 > the temperature of the land increases very sharply in the summer, causing updrafts that create intense rainfall, thunderstorms, rather than a cool, steady even temperature all year round from the slow evaporation from the trees. ANDREW MURRAY: All right. Good point. Okay, I just wanted to mention also – we talked little bit about the United Nations. America is part of the founding group of countries that form United Nations. So it is now a United Nations policy. And now, in the US, United Nations is dictating policy. I don’t know how that can be constitutional. And now, the cap and trade tax proposal which is in President Obama – his EPA policy shut 40% of coal-fired power stations, directly increasing energy costs to Americans. An example of skewed data sets providing the necessary means to implement this taxation,

00:45:40 > which will be unavoidable and have no effect on the target objective, but which has a political advantage of decreasing funding from the majority. Now, Republican donors, which are largely energy corporations, and they support coal, so is there a political agenda? Just want to put that out there. Again, it’s an alternative show and the whole subject of global warming and the cap and trade and the taxation being mandated for every man, woman and child is kind of scary. So people really need to think about what it is they’re voting on and what they believe in and then look at the facts and the science to make the objective decision. Okay, there is two callers on the air. So let’s get these – next caller. Hi, caller. Where are you from? ANDREW MURRAY: Hello. CALLER: I'm from Madison, CALLER: Wisconsin. ANDREW MURRAY: Madison, Wisconsin. What is your question? CALLER: My main question was – my girlfriend has a really low cholesterol and she has Hashimoto's. And I was curious if gelatin might

00:46:42 > raise the cholesterol. And like, what’s the – what the mechanism is for, like, dybiosis and dyslipidemia. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. Dr. Peat, did you ANDREW MURRAY: catch all that. It’s a little bit… RAY PEAT: I didn’t get all of it, but Hashimoto’s usually just means low thyroid function, which is more common in women because estrogen inhibits the thyroid. And low thyroid then lets estrogen rise. and was the rest of the question about the blood count, red cells? SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: He said that his girlfriend had low cholesterol. ANDREW MURRAY: And Hashimoto’s. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: And Hashimoto’s. CALLER: It’s 138. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: 138, yeah. And it’s with a fasting . It is a best to do actually a non-fasting cholesterol. But for a non-fasting cholesterol, a good place for it to be is around 175.

00:47:46 > RAY PEAT: Sometimes intestinal irritation can affect the liver so much that it doesn't make CAenough cholesterol. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Yeah. Thataomgs `` his next question as he said – how is that influenced by dysbiosis? RAY PEAT: The endotoxin poisons the liver and lets estrogen and other toxic metabolites increase, but the liver needs available glucose to produce adequate cholesterol. And eating fruits, especially orange juice, will often bring a person' s cholesterol up to normal. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: And if she replaces her starchy carbohydrates with the orange juice and has a cup of grated raw carrot at night before she goes to bed, that should help with the dysbiosis by eliminating the starches and doing the carrot salad.

00:48:48 > RAY PEAT: Yes. I think that’s RAY EAT: the right approach. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. There’s are two more callers. ANDREW MURRAY: Thank you for you call, caller. CALLER: I was going to ask, like, she’s kind of a fuzzy eater. She doesn’t get very hungry. Would gelatin help with her with that? SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: With her appetite? Well, gelatins... CALLER: With the cholesterol , like, if it would help her – would it then help her cholesterol. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Gelatin will be anti- inflammatory for the intestine. And in that way, it could help her liver be less irritated and thereby make more cholesterol. So, yeah, it's probably a good thing for everybody to take. ANDREW MURRAY: Dr. Peat, do you have a direct answer for the gentleman in relation to gelatin consumption to increase cholesterol? RAY PEAT: Exactly what Sarah said. ANDREW MURRAY: There you go. Okay, good. We’ve got two more callers on the air. Thanks for you call, caller. Let’s take this next caller. And where are you from? CALLER: That’s me. I am from Bison. ANDREW MURRAY: Bison. Okay, what’s your question? CALLER: Doesn’t it seem it would be better

00:49:50 > in the developing nations to encourage more, as the United States should have also converted to several of the alternative powers –geothermal, solar. Those kind of ideas rather than just give more money to some corrupted corporations. ANDREW MURRAY: No. I totally agree with you in California and the latitudes that get the sun exposure. Solar energy is fantastic and it should be a lot more available to people. I think geothermal and water is also an option where there is plenty of resource for it. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: But it doesn't make the power companies SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: enough money. ANDREW MURRAY: What I would say is, I think the whole EPA mandate is definitely avoidable with good up-to- date filtration. The means exist to produce these coal-fired power stations that have zero emissions. And I think the objective analysis is that nuclear is unfortunately the only other option and that’s where

00:50:52 > we are going with what we’ve got going right now. CALLER: Well, you could also just burn the thrash if you have a cleaning burning scrubber. [inaudible] ANDREW MURRAY: Of course, of course. CALLER: Then you might as well just even burn trash [inaudible] landfills CALLER: and mine them. ANDREW MURRAY: Yeah, we could. CALLER: Separate the metals and everything else. Turns out, we had a pretty good suggestion by the science officer, Dr. Levin, who showed that the whole process of how the separation even in the materials, the metals will go out one way, the glass will go out in another level, trash collection system would work pretty good too if you’re going to have clean scrubbers. ANDREW MURRAY: Dr. Peat? CALLER: Okay. Well, CALLER: thanks. ANDREW MURRAY: You’re welcome. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Thank you for your call. RAY PEAT: Composting is really a viable source of heat, methane production, but just heat right directly RAY PEAT: from the compost. ANDREW MURRAY: Because I have read a couple of large municipal landfills

00:51:54 > are starting to do this with methane as a viable byproduct of composting all of the household refuse. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: And Straus Creamery makes electricity from the methane from their cows. ANDREW MURRAY: There you go. Alright, we have you another caller on. Let’s take this next caller. Where ANDREW MURRAY: are you from? CALLER: My name is Andy Kaffer. CALLER: I am in Garberville. ANDREW MURRAY: In Garberville. What is your ANDREW MURRAY: call, caller? CALLER: Well, organisms only evolve tolerances to circumstances that their species evolved through. And when I was in high school, I studied intertidal marine biology and we would measure the temperature, salinity and pH in tide pools every hour and then go in the ocean and measure the same thing. And what we found is that there's very little change in the course of a day and as the tide withdraws out in the open ocean, but there's much more of a change in those things in the tide pool. So the creatures evolve in the tide pool are eurythermal and euryhaline, which means wide tolerance, and the creatures that evolve in the ocean are stenohaline or stenothermal. So we now know that, for the last 2.1 million years,

00:52:56 > the range of CO2 has been between 170 and 290 parts per million and we’re at 400. So I hear you making a generalized case about CO2 in plants, but you have to literally look at every species in every ecosystem and you have to answer the question how can all these ecosystems that evolved in that range tolerate 400 parts per million. And also you have to look what’s happening with West Antarctica where its collapse is now unstoppable and that's probably because it has gone up to 400 parts per million and now we are going to face 20 feet of sea level increase this century and that’s unstoppable. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. CALLER: How can anybody say global CALLER: warming is good? ANDREW MURRAY: It’s not going to happen. What you need to do is you need to look at the alternative validated science from Lord Monckton. You go ahead and do that. And I think you’ll find some more objective answers that unfortunately I can't give you because I'm not a scientist on that subject, but I can point to that person who totally is. Okay. We have another caller on the air. What’s your question

00:53:58 > and where are you from? CALLER: I am from Calgary, Alberta. And I'm wondering why people following the McDougall Program, who eat tones of starch and vegetables are able to reverse heart disease, lose weight, that kind of thing? ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. How do you know this? What’s the evidence for it? CALLER: Oh! Well, it was on the doctor’s website. His name is Dr. John McDougall. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: And he is in California, right? CALLER: I am not sure where he is CALLER: actually. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: I think I’ve had a client who had seen SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: McDougall. ANDREW MURRAY: Dr. Peat, what’s your objective analysis of a starchy, carbohydrate- rich diet curing heart disease? RAY PEAT: I’ve talked to some of his patients and I am sure they aren't getting enough protein. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. That would be a very subjective analysis.

00:55:00 > Okay. So if we don’t have too much more to add to that, ANDREW MURRAY: I'm afraid… CALLER: Okay. ANDREW MURRAY: …I am afraid we probably have to stop right there. CALLER: That’s okay. Thank you so much. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Thank you for your call. ANDREW MURRAY: Thank you for listening and thank you for your call. Okay. So I think we probably should leave that for tonight. It’s 5 to 8. And I want to make sure that people get the directions necessary to find your website, Dr. Peat. So thanks so much for joining us. RAY PEAT: Okay, thank you. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Thank you, SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Dr. Peat. ANDREW MURRAY: Okay. So for those people who have listened to tonight’s show, I know sometimes the subjects are controversial. I am glad they’re controversial. It gets people think. And those people that really care about any of it can always find an objective analysis from scientific research. So I’d always encourage people to look at the science. Now, like I said about global warming, there are 40 points of Al Gore's book that had been refuted in England and they are

00:56:02 > not allowed now to be published in the curricula that was proposed for education of children concerning this part of geography. Now, Lord Moncton again – not just because he is a lord and he speaks with a posh English accent – that doesn’t make him. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Any better than those people out on the SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: corners. ANDREW MURRAY: Any better than people on the corner. But he has spent his life studying this and he has drawn together eminent scientists – not lords, they are just science people; they are the scientists; that’s all they do, is science work – and they are very objective in science. There is no political agenda. There’s no financial agenda. That’s why science itself is a fairly pure and altruistic subject. So Lord Monckton is someone who you can look out on YouTube and… SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: How do you spell Moncton? ANDREW MURRAY: Say again SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: How do you spell his name? ANDREW MURRAY: It is Monckton. He is the Viscount of Brenchley in England. But, anyway, he is very well educated and his arguments for it are

00:57:04 > equally and oppositely, just like positive and negative, two positive electrons repel each other or two magnets ends repel each other. He provides the same evidence to push the argument the other way. So that was the first thing. And then for those of you who have called in, thanks so much for taking the time to listen and contribute. We will be doing the same show third Friday of the next month. I just want to let people know that the website that we have had, which has been woefully outdated, did it in 2001 with Adobe PageMill on an old computer and it hasn’t change up until tomorrow. So tomorrow, the new website, westernbotanicalmedicine.com has all of these interviews on it. There is 57 radio interviews that have been edited and will be available free to download for anybody who wants to take the time to look at it. I would encourage you to go and do that, not because I need hits on the website because we come up first time anyway

when you're typing Western Botanical Medicine, not looking for that. Just want to make sure that people know all these interviews with Dr. Peat have been recorded and are freely available. So thanks so much for joining us and we will be here same time next month, ANDREW MURRAY: third Friday of the month. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: And for those of you who want to look at Dr. Ray Peat’s website, it is www.ray peat.com. ANDREW MURRAY: And he has a whole range of fully referenced scientific journals that are not selling anything. And time and time again, what he’s said has been borne out slowly, but surely, in the mainstream as the culture recognizes this change that’s inevitable. So thanks so much for listening until next month. ANDREW MURRAY: Good night. SARAH JOHANNESEN MURRAY: Good night.