Your Own Health And Fitness: Nutrition And The Endocrine System

PODCAST | Ray Peat

null | Ray Peat

00:00:00 > Good afternoon and welcome to your own health and fitness talk show. LAYNA BERMAN: I am Health Integration Specialist, Layna Berman. I'm here live with you every Tuesday at noon talking to you about healthcare and fitness trends and I usually take your phone calls. Now this week show is the final of two Special Pledge Drive Shows. Today, I will be interviewing, Biologist and Medical Activist, Dr. Raymond Peat. Is a pioneer in the use of natural progesterone therapy among other things and the author of several books? Now today, we will be talking until 12:30. We will take our usual show to musical break. During that break, what I am go to hope is that you will use that time instead of calling in to ask questions today to call in and become a part of KPFA by joining at several different levels, any level will work. However, if you join at a level of $60, you get a choice

00:01:02 > of three different books written by Ray Peat. You can have your choice of one for $60. The books are Women in Nutrition, Generative Energy, and Mind and Tissue which is about the Russian Research perspective on the human brain, so each of these books is yours with a pledge of $60 to KPFA, in other words as a thank you gift. We will send along one of these wonderful books, these wonderfully thought provoking books. Now if you want two of these books and you can choose any two that you want, you can have that as a thank you gift for pledge of a $100. Three books with a pledge of $150, you can get all three of Ray Peat’s books. So today instead of opening up the phone lines for you to ask questions, I am going to ask you to support the show with your pledges. I want to remind people before we get it to the show that if you want information about cassette copies of your own health and fitness or if you need to reach me. You just call my office during normal business hours and my office number is 707-

00:02:04 > 769- 1458 and I'll give that number out again at the end of the show. Now if you want to pledge during this hour, our pledge drive numbers are 510- 848-5732 or if you're out of our area code here, you can dial us at 1-800-43 9-5732. Now, I understand that you may want to listen to this interview and I won’t blame you if you do, but at 12:30 I will open up the lines and let you call in to this and pledge in and then we will get back to our interview and finish up at about quarter-to-one. Let me not editorialize today, let me get right to my guest because we have an awful lot to talk about and it's very, very provocative wonderful stuff. So Ray, I believe you're there with us, yes. RAY PEAT: Hi. LAYNA BERMAN: Okay, I introduced to many people for the first time as the researcher from whom Dr. John Lee, Author of what your doctor may not tell you about menopause. I first learned about the benefits of natural progesterone supplementation. Dr. Raymond Peat received his PhD

00:03:06 > in Biology from the University of Oregon, specializing in Physiology. He has written Mind and Tissue, Progesterone in Orthomolecular Medicine and Nutrition for Women including a new book which I believe we may be privy to at some point soon. He has also written several articles in journals. He has taught at the University of Oregon, Urbana College, Montana State University, National College of Naturopathic Medicine, Universidad Veracruzana and the Universidad Autonoma Del Estado De Mexico and he also founded Blake College International University. He does independent research and private in ecological and nutritional counseling. So welcome to you, I am so pleased that you took the timeout come in and be with us. Let me start with, I want to talk about more than just progesterone today. I want to talk about everything, but I would like for those people who are or not, if you don't know your work very well.

00:04:08 > I would like to ask you how you came to the conclusion that women need supplementation with natural progesterone and not with estrogen. RAY PEAT: In the 50s, I saw people getting estrogen therapy and dying or going crazy, you’re getting rheumatoid arthritis. It was so obvious that like one woman went into a mental breakdown in an hour after she had an injection of estrogen and her daughter died at the age of about 27 after taking early birth control pills that were high in estrogen. And I began just keeping my ears open to the nature of the research that was supporting it and realized that it really was all advertising and the research went completely in the other direction and so I

00:05:10 > decided to go back to graduate school. I had been in linguistics and literature and I intended the study Nerve Biology and I thought that was dominated by some very foolish dogmas and the least dogmatic work was being done in Reproductive Physiology, and there I saw that estrogen explained infertility and reproductive aging, it accelerated or imitated all as a known age- related changes. LAYNA BERMAN: This is true for men as well. RAY PEAT: Yeah, and these changes are so fundamental and general that you can't really distinguish between the free radical damage done by unopposed estrogen or by heavy metals or by x-rays or by anything

00:06:12 > that interferes with oxidative metabolism. LAYNA BERMAN: As you just said, what you discovered is that aging and estrogen dominant shared symptoms. A lot of people don't realize that when men age, it isn't that they are losing testosterone in particular mostly what's happening is that they are gaining estrogen. RAY PEAT: Yeah, for example prostate cancer enlargement and then cancer occurs in aging men and it is precisely the men who are deficient in testosterone and have an excess of estrogen who get the enlarged and cancerous prostate. LAYNA BERMAN: And so what we were saying is that aging and estrogen dominant share symptoms which include diminished cellular respiratory capacity, which causes energy loss and it increases your risk of cancer. RAY PEAT: It is a vicious circle too because estrogen not only causes the respiratory defect, but once you get stressed and sick even an acute

00:07:14 > stress drastically raises your body’s estrogen, so that hospitalized people, men or women typically have very high estrogen levels or heart attack, for example, it is associated with very high estrogen levels in men. LAYNA BERMAN: I want to mention here also that I think at least those of us who listen to alternative radio, KPFA as an example know about the fact that our environment is full of estrogenic xenoestrogen mimicking chemicals, lots of pesticides and whatnot. RAY PEAT: Yeah, this is very old information in the 60s, when I was starting my research. I saw that for decades, people have known that food is full of a vast number of estrogenic compounds the same things which are carcinogenic in smoke have a very neat estrogenic function that’s why estrogen was such an easy thing to

00:08:16 > commercialize by the drug companies because you could find it everywhere. LAYNA BERMAN: I want to talk about progesterone, but before we talk about progesterone I would like you to describe what role the thyroid plays in restoring balance when estrogen is dominant. RAY PEAT: The liver, this was work done by the Biscon in the early 1940s. The liver is the main thing that regulates and holds your estrogen in check and the liver to do its work requires adequate protein, nutrition essentially and a basic amount of the B vitamins, but these don't work unless you have adequate thyroid to make the liver able to metabolize the protein. LAYNA BERMAN: No, this would also explain why more women have trouble with thyroid function. I think the other things you mention is that we already have estrogen and have as you put it in the book Less Active Livers. Although, I'm really noticing that

00:09:18 > with increased alcohol consumption, use of pharmaceuticals and then what we just talked about the estrogenic environmental pollutants and the certain infectious diseases that men are getting, that men as well are quite estrogen dominant. So what it does seem that women tend to be the ones that are red flagged, the fastest for low thyroid symptoms, why is it hard to evaluate the adequacy of thyroid function with a blood test? RAY PEAT: It wouldn't necessarily be so hard but the scientific work that was being done in the 30s and early 40s show that respiration goes down as your thyroid goes down, but the basic technique simply involved measuring how much oxygen you would breathe in a period of a few minute and the drug companies didn't have any way to market error to be briefed in the lab and

00:10:20 > they came up with a blood test called the protein-bound iodine measurement and showed everyone on the idea that this was scientific and turned it out that instead of 40% of the population being a low respirors, only 5% were low in the protein-bound iodine test. And when I was in school everyone was overweight, had been told by their doctors that they had behavioral or personality defect not a hormone problem because the drug companies convinced everyone that really needed thyroid that since the test didn’t show low thyroid that 95% of the people have some other problem, but in the 60s the protein- bound iodine was found to have essentially nothing to do with thyroid function and what remained in everyone's mind

00:11:22 > was that the 95% of the population do not need thyroid and now no matter how perfect the test might measure your thyroid response, the fixed idea is that you are not likely to need thyroid. LAYNA BERMAN: Yeah, in fact actually when a lot of people who present with some of the symptoms that you describe in the book that would indicate a possible problem with thyroid like having an extremely low resting pulse and in any case this is not someone who is athletic, their temperatures below normal, very much below normal. Pulses as I mentioned, so reflexes are not quite right, they are cold all the time; you know all of these things that we normally associate with low thyroid function and then when the doctor does a panel, they have not seen a low thyroid in the blood. RAY PEAT: Yeah, and either over or underweight

00:12:24 > can cause a quite low thyroid, so it isn’t just matter of fat people needing thyroid, very often people can't gain a normal amount of weight need thyroid, and dry skin and falling hair are two of the very important indicators and those tend to increase with aging and to some extent they can be reversed by restoring the hormones. Just a few months ago, someone found that an antiestrogen chemical restores hair growth in animals and this is one of the things that thyroid researchers have suspected that low thyroid people have high estrogen and estrogen interferes with the development of the cell follicle, the hair follicle. LAYNA BERMAN: And estrogen also makes it difficult for the body to utilize the thyroid and for the thyroid to produce it, but I mean even if you're taking supplemental thyroid,

00:13:26 > your estrogen levels are high and it will also interfere. So what we've got here is the situation where people are walking around with these symptoms. Do you have any suggestions on how people are going get their doctors to respond to this, I mean if they're doing a blood test and they're seeing; I mean one of the ways that I've sort and intervened is to have people have their doctors also check for antibody levels and that sometimes get their attention… RAY PEAT: Well what I usually do is go over a person’s problems and have them make a list of at least five of the classical indicators of hypothyroidism, cold hands and feet, gaining weight when they don't eat very much, being constipated, having dry skin and hair and all of their about 200 classical indicators, and if a person puts together a list of complaints, any doctor that went to medical school is likely to recognize

00:14:28 > by the time they have named five or six classical complaints that there could be a thyroid problem. LAYNA BERMAN: Also in a couple more people who are low in, the body converts thyroid into T3 and it's a kind of complicated. I don’t want to get into this specifically, but if you're too low in T3, if you don’t have enough you also become very depressive and because I work with people in a variety of ways including exercise. If people begin to do exercise they begin to gain weight if the thyroid is not functioning well. In addition to that what you cautioned against is people doing what we call aerobic exercise but doing it in a state whether out of breath, so the people who do exhaustive, you know hours of running and getting on the StairMaster and they're almost breathless and they do this for a long period of time, may in fact or certainly in fact or suppressing thyroid function. RAY PEAT: Yeah someone put volunteers on a treadmill and had them walk for 40 minutes keeping their pulse rate under

00:15:30 > 120 beats per minute, so general exercise just for 40 minutes and then they measured the amount of the active thyroid hormone T3 in their blood and had had gone to zero in that short time. LAYNA BERMAN: Hmmm. For people who are just tuning in, this is KPFA and I am Health Integration Specialist, Layna Berman, Your Own Health and Fitness. This the show, it is special pledge drive show and I have Dr. Raymond Peat, a Researcher and Medical Activist on the line and we are discussing right now progesterone and thyroid and we will move on to some other very important hormones. We will open the lines at 12:30, but this time it's going to be for you to pledge and what you can do if you pledge is get as a thank you gift one of Ray Peat's fabulous books. Now these are self-published books, these are not on the book shelves. This is a special deal from KPFA. You can get his books directly from him, but we have them here and we will give you a book with a pledge of $60, we will give you two books for $100 and we will give you all three of his books

00:16:32 > for a pledge of $150 as a thank you gift. At 12:30, we will open up the lines at 848-5732 and this area code 1-800- 439-5732, so stay tuned for that. One of the things that also can happen is what we have an estrogenic environment and then we have these dietary changes that have occurred in the United States over the last two years and suddenly the food industry has been pushing polyunsaturated vegetable oils and they have been pushing a high-carbohydrate diet, stressing the use of soy and legumes in the diet and in fact it looks to me as though the cancer rates have gone through the ceiling, and in addition to that I think there's just an endemic problem with thyroid right now. Would you like to comment on that? RAY PEAT: In the 30s, one of the indicators of that it was a very reliable sign that the thyroid was low when the blood cholesterol level was very high and

00:17:34 > people demonstrated that if you removed the thyroid gland immediately the blood cholesterol started up and if you gave them a thyroid supplement, immediately the blood cholesterol would return to normal and it happens that if you poison the liver, it can't make cholesterol and someone discovered that if you feed animals with very large amount of unsaturated seed oils, it will suppress the cholesterol while also suppressing the metabolism and the pig farmers for example found it useful to add large amounts of corn or soybeans to the animals diet to make them hypometabolic, so they got fat on very little food but the same procedure is so toxic

00:18:36 > to the liver that it doesn't normally in itself cause direct elevation of cholesterol the way simple hypothyroidism does. Even though it was established that low thyroid individuals were susceptible to heart disease because of the thyroid deficiency, the fact that low thyroid people have high cholesterol became attached with the thought that cholesterol could be blamed instead of low thyroid and the promotion of the seed oils was largely based on the idea that it would lower cholesterol and prevent heart disease, but in fact it lowers cholesterol while causing hypothyroidism; and just in the last few years, the research is accumulating showing that it is not really connected directly at all with cholesterol

00:19:38 > but heart disease is the result of plaque that develops in blood vessels and that this plaque is like aged pigment the product of free radical break down of unsaturated fat and that the blood vessels are most intimately intimately exposed to both oxygen abundant iron from the hemoglobin and the unsaturated fats that are either being digested or drawn out of storage and so you have the perfect conditions for creating free radicals during stress when the unsaturated fats are circulating in the bloodstream. LAYNA BERMAN: So what we’re saying, Ray, is that this sort of move to – in addition not only did they introduce unsaturated fats, it is a panacea for saving everybody's lives, but these were also very badly processed. They were heated, they were highly processed which makes

00:20:40 > the free radical production even worse but in addition to that, you know, there's a whole sort of mythology about diet. I mean there are people telling us that the Asian people don't get cancer and that you know soy is wonderful and all of this and I know you have very strong opinions about this and I would like to hear and you talk about them. RAY PEAT: Well the soy monopoly is really extremely powerful in the United States, it subsidizes research and propaganda medical society meetings and books and it is doing doing just a very powerful job of diverting people's attention from this research which is coming out showing that unsaturated fats are intimately involved in heart disease and stroke and what they are doing is over and over repeating certain associations

00:21:42 > but breast cancer is lower in Japan, for example, than in the United States and when Japanese live in this country they have the same rate of breast cancer as Americans, but they neglect everything else that was traditional in Japan. Women didn't smoke for example… LAYNA BERMAN: And then green tea also.. RAY PEAT: They tended to stay at home and they ate lots of strange shellfish and all kinds of foods that are simply not available in the United States. LAYNA BERMAN: Well what people say about soy and what’s confusing to people the consumers is that on the one hand they're supposed to be the sort of estrogenic phytoestrogen in soy and then there is also this concept of there being isoflavones in that are…RAY PEAT: Yeah. LAYNA BERMAN: Well, let me just finish what it

00:22:44 > is so people know what I’m talking about which is not estrogen, but they are estrogen analogs that take up the receptor sites and they’re supposed to protect against estrogens. So this is confusing for people because I think always supposed to eat soy because it protects against that and then other method so what you say? RAY PEAT: Well then that same ideology is being used to promote Estriol as the weak natural estrogen, but Estriol has essentially the same kind of toxicity that any estrogen does and we should remember that DES which caused even generations later abnormalities and cancer in the babies that DES is a classical weak estrogen, it doesn’t have the same strong concentration relationship to estrogen effects, but it has very broad capacity

00:23:46 > to disrupt cell functions while acting in many ways like an estrogen and so the weakness has nothing to do with the toxicity. The weakness of binding to the estrogen receptor, the estrogenic substances can be just as toxic whether or not they bind to the so called estrogen receptor because there are so many ways that estrogen has its effect not just the classical so called receptor. For 40 years or so, people recognized that estrogen had a wide spectrum of instantaneous effect. It imitates the shock reaction and causes the cells to take up water in such in a time that it couldn’t possibly be acting through the classical receptor. So, there is a

00:24:48 > sort of either a signal action or a chemical action of any estrogenic substance which has nothing to do with the estrogen receptors, and when you compare Estriol and DES and the phytoestrogens what they have in common is that they are toxic to the reproductive system and will cause miscarriages and abortions. There are strains of sheep which are known to be resistant to phytoestrogens and they happen to be the ones that are adopted to live elevations because the phytoestrogens cause abortions by interfering with the oxidative metabolism. So if they have a special resistant hemoglobin and physiology, they can stand the phytoestrogens but when you test him on a range of lab animals, these

00:25:50 > bio flavonoids or isoflavones a And so on have the same drastic toxic effects that DES, for example, has; they cause deformities in the genitals of the baby animals when the mothers are exposed to them. LAYNA BERMAN: So, basically, because scientific in their mindset. Before we go to a quick break, what you are saying is that whether you want to say that they – whatever you want to say, what you’re saying is that soy still has estrogenic effects, which means that it going to oppose and interfere with thyroid function and that people who are eating will come back to this after we take a break. People eating diets who are high in soy and also other legumes may in fact be creating a hypo or low thyroid condition. RAY PEAT: Yeah, at time some of these claims were coming out several months ago. I noticed a report from China that

00:26:52 > there were 100 million hypothyroid people there and goiterism, cretinism and so on are extremely common in bean eating, soy bean or any kind of bean. The Andies and all the way from the mountains of Central Mexico to the tip of South America, the bean eating cultures have an extremely high incidence of goiter and cretinism.LAYNA BERMAN: Okay, we will listen. We are go to take a very, very brief musical break, so hold that part and we will come back to it. This is Your Own Health and Fitness talk show on KPFM, Health Integration Specialist doing a special pledge drive show with Raymond Peat, Researcher and Medical Activist. We are going to open up your phone lines here and let you call in to do some pledging for about 45 seconds. It is 510-848- 5732 and our area code 848-57 32 or 1-800- 439-5732. If you added the area code 1-800-HEY-

00:27:54 > KPFA, $60 dollar pledge, you can choose Women in Nutrition, Generative Energy or Mind and Tissue one book. You can have two books for 100 bucks as a thank you gift or all three of them for pledge of a $150 to support these programming. These books are not available on the bookshelf. We are to going to give them to you with the pledge. We are going to take a brief musical break. We would be right back with more of Raymond Peat.

00:29:06 > LAYNA BERMAN: Welcome back, this is Layna Berman, Health Integration Specialist. Your Own Health and Fitness on KPFA doing a special pledge drive show. You can keep calling those of you who are in the line right now and those who wish to get copies of Dr. Raymond Peat’s books, we have some as a thank you gift for pledging during this hour. The number again is 510-84 8-5732 or 1-800-HEY-KPFA or 1-800-439- 5732. We are going to give you with a pledge today, one of Raymond Peat’s books. They are Women in Nutrition, Generative Energy, and Mind and Tissue which is the Russian Research Perspective on the human brain. One of these books with a $60 pledge will give you as a thank you gift. Two books for $100 or all three of his books which are only available, they’re self-published, they’re only either available from Dr. Peat himself or by pledging today KPFA, we will give you these books as a thank you gift in show of our appreciation now. You won't hear Ray Peat on any other radio

00:30:08 > show. He is not someone who is commonly heard in the media. He is a very special person and he is very discriminating about where he will appear. I have a long relationship with him and he is brilliant. This is the man who turned everybody's minds around about the use of estrogen or were still working on changing the minds in them. Well we are talking about right now is the fact that not only because of environmental situation and our environment with the chemicals a and whatnot, but also by the way the people have been eating over the last few decades, there is an increase in the number of people who are suffering from thyroid disease and particularly low thyroid has a lot of it is undiagnosed and we have been talking about the role of diet, and what we were just saying is all these people who say that the Asian diet is healthier, Ray just shared us with that this is statistic which is a hard word to say that there are 100 million cretins, people with thyroid disease in

00:31:10 > China, it is significant. So, the other thing is the use of high quality animal protein to increase energy part of what we are talking about, when we talk about thyroid is increasing oxidation, respiration and energy in the cells, yes? RAY PEAT: Yeah, and I am not sure of all of the ways in which proteins support thyroid but in effect the liver seems to think we’re starving to death if we don't get adequate high-quality protein. It has the function of making albumin and other proteins to maintain blood physiology and if it's deficient in the right amino acids that you get from high-quality protein such as milk and eggs it acts as if it's starving and it sends out signals to draw on the body's own protein

00:32:12 > tissues, but to prevent the rapid breakdown of the body's own tissues when you're not eating enough protein, the body senses the changed chemistry and very quickly suppresses the thyroid. So, it is that there is known connection between a protein deficiency or imbalance and an adaptive suppression of the thyroid, so that's one of the important outcomes is that people on the low-protein diet, their thyroid turns down, so that they don't eat up their own tissues. It is same as going on a fast you lose weight for the first day but then your thyroid is suppressed and after day 1, you lose only about an ounce a day or something. LAYNA BERMAN: Yeah, I don’t like fast, because I think they also have a detrimental effect on metabolism

00:33:14 > even if people are drinking juices instead. Yeah, you like people to use along with milk and eggs and animal protein and I should mention that these need to be clean source, as clean as you can find because obviously the dairy and meat industries are fond in putting hormones in their products. So you do need to be aggressive about locating stores that sell free range and ask questions, you know, really watch out for your food source. But using, you know, some form of animal protein and you like mixing this with a fruit as a carbohydrate and also white potatoes. Why don't you like the use of grains? RAY PEAT: Because this plant defense system puts its worst toxins in the seed to prevent its next-generation and these toxins are turnout to apparently have been evolved to

00:34:16 > make the seed undesirable to animals by blocking their digestion, poisoning their metabolism and so it takes pretty fancy treatment to make them even digestible and useful that’s where the traditional leavening process comes and it helps to detoxify the grains and so the worst grain material is one which is not traditionally processed. The American native cultures found that by boiling their grains with alkali, they would detoxify them enough that they weren't terribly poisonous but still they weren’t adequate nutrition in themselves. The particular type of calorie in grains, their protein value should be discounted

00:35:18 > because the protein is of such low quality not just the quantity, but the quality is the lowest protein known and so if you count them as calories what you see is either unsaturated fats or starches and the white refined flour, for example, is essentially pure glucose (starches) made up of a chain of glucose molecules where fruit sugar is half fructose and half glucose. And glucose is a powerful stimulant to insulin and the synthesis of fat and so the grains are well designed to cause obesity that these complex carbohydrates which are chemically pure glucose stimulate fat production and increase the appetite, so that they start the chain of putting on fat.

00:36:20 > The fructose component of fruit sugar does not have that powerful effect on insulin. It is very slow and indirect. The fruit comes with many of the minerals which work in place of insulin and have a slightly suppressive effect on the insulin and the fruit has a strange side effect that it happens to promote cholesterol production and that's one of the reasons I emphasize having plenty of fruit sugar because the fructose while it doesn't cause obesity, it does help your liver to produce more cholesterol which is then available if your thyroid is functioning to turn into the protective hormones,

00:37:22 > pregnenolone and progesterone. LAYNA BERMAN: Now we are running out of time. We got about 6 minutes left and I know that there are some other issues that we want to cover albeit quickly, so I apologize for this because they are important and as usual they need to reschedule another show with particularly when you new book comes out. The coconut oil, you know, you made a dent, there are nutritionists talking about how great coconut oil is and how it's a metabolic stimulant, so much for the idea that saturated fat is nasty. I think what we are talking about is that if your thyroid is not functioning well, if it suppressed either through diet or your stress or environmental things your body needs the cholesterol from these sources in order to create these hormones. If your thyroid is suppressed then you will have problems with cholesterol. RAY PEAT: Yeah, when I see someone with above average cholesterol, I think they are in pretty good shape because I have seen people dropped their cholesterol levels 80 points a day, 60 to 80 points, by using quick-acting

00:38:24 > thyroid when they had to pass a health exam, so it is no problem at all to get your high cholesterol down to normal, but to get low cholesterol up to normal, so that you have the defensive anticancer anti-aging, anti-stress hormones. Fruit is really the only practical thing I know as that will help the liver recover from the toxic unsaturated fats and estrogens and other things that block cholesterol production. LAYNA BERMAN: Ray, what is going on when someone becomes hyperthyroid, you know Graves’ disease or the other… RAY PEAT: Well, there are three kinds of Graves' disease hyperthyroid, euthyroid and hypothyroid. So, Grave’s disease is synonymous with hyperthyroidism, and very often people are diagnosed as being hyperthyroid on the

00:39:26 > basis of having elevated thyroxine in their blood in spite of very often having many signs of low thyroid and so you can't go by the standard idea of what hyperthyroidism is. Occasionally, I see someone who is really hyperthyroid and that is generally a corrective process if they just, for example, eat some exaggeratedly nutritious foods, lots of eggs maybe some liver, a plenty of very concentrated food, usually the thyroid is unloading its excess and will correct itself in anywhere from three months to a year. LAYNA BERMAN: That’s a very short answer for complicated questions, so I apologize for giving a short answer to something as complicated.

00:40:28 > RAY PEAT: There have been publications on different ways to treat it and the outcome of the good studies was that radiation and surgery are almost never write the conservative treatment either using diet or a drug just to control the symptoms practically always leads to resolution without the damage of surgery or radiation. LAYNA BERMAN: We only have about 2 or 3 minutes, but and it's terrible to do this in the last seconds of the show but I wanted to say something about pregnenolone and DHEA mostly when you like using these it's when people that are over 50 when the levels of DHEA decrease. If someone tests, their test DHEA levels, if it is low should you not try pregnenolone first since it is the beginning of the chain in the pathway of hormones? RAY PEAT: Yeah, pregnenolone is essentially

00:41:30 > always safe, it starts the stress reaction and whether you have, for example, Cushing's syndrome with too much cortisone or Addison's disease with too little pregnenolone like progesterone will put you right down the middle and correct whatever is wrong and it is protective even if it isn't correcting a disease process and it will very often correct the DHEA level, but I interpret the blood tests or saliva tests of DHEA really as indicating more about liver function than about your need or actual tissue levels of the DHEA without doing a tissue biopsy, I don't think there is any clear way to evaluate your DHEA status and it is better just to correct everything else. LAYNA BERMAN: So who should try pregnenolone? RAY PEAT: Anyone who is over 48

00:42:32 > or 50 and feeling like they would suddenly run into an energy, well if things are just like their skin is deteriorating and looking old and they have no energy and are depressed and so on, it very often is just because their glands have sort of hit the barrier of accumulated iron and unsaturated fatty acids that make stress poison your adaptive system rather than stimulating it. LAYNA BERMAN: Okay, you know I have to let you go and I'm really sorry because we really didn't get a chance to talk about the use of progesterone in fertility issues and to prevent ADD type children's; so we will have to do if it's okay with you Ray to get you back on to talk about the new book as I think all of that will be in the new book is that true? RAY PEAT: Yeah, that book will be called Female Hormones in Context. LAYNA BERMAN: And we are still looking for someone to print it properly so I'll be in

00:43:34 > touch with you and we will reschedule as soon as that book is out. In the meantime, I really want to thank you for your generosity. I want to thank you for donating the books today and most of all donating your time and being so patient with us as you explain those very complex issues. Raymond Peat, thank you so much. RAY PEAT: Thank you. LAYNA BERMAN: Okay talk to you soon. RAY PEAT: Bye. LAYNA BERMAN: Well now it's your turn. Ray has been generous with us, now we need you and as usual what I'm coming to you and asking you to do is creating a context to the show because this show means everything to me. It is the most important thing I do in my life it's a realization of a dream and for me to have the opportunity to interview people like researchers like this who are not in the mainstream who have avoided the mainstream so that he is not beholden or under any obligation to lie to you. He is not connected to any companies, which is a hard thing to find these days with researchers and he has kept himself very pure. He is a very political person. The information he is giving you is not

00:44:36 > in the mainstream and you won't hear it anywhere else but KPFA, this is the second show I've done with him. I'm going to get him back on to talk about his new book. This is absolutely groundbreaking information. He's very, very important researcher. We are giving away three of his books today. If you want to call us now the numbers again are 510-8 48-573 2 or 1-800- HEY-KPFA or 1-800-439-57 32 and the books are Women in Nutrition for $60, Generative Energy which is a fascinating book, it is very political and it also talks about the whole context of biology and it also about all the stuff we were talking about today. Mind and Tissue which is also for 60, it is the Russian research perspective on the human brain. This is also about energy and self function. It's talking about how important the brain is, how the metabolism and the behavior adaptation and stress in the brains, the brain health. Each book is 60; it's a thank you gift for pledging 60 bucks. You can have two of the books for 100 bucks.

00:45:38 > You can have all three for 150. I don't see any callers, common people. Do you like this information? You guys clamored for me to get him back on after I had him on the first time I was overwhelmed with calls, the station was overwhelmed with calls. This book is not available on bookstore shelves, easy for me to say, these books are only available directly from Raymond Peat, his information about where to reach him, how to get consultations, about his newsletter and his other books are on the back of these books. And you can get online with him and with us by now calling and pledging and getting these books. All three of these books are fascinating for reading. You will not find these concepts anywhere else. If it weren't for him, women would still be given estrogen without even any question. I mean thank goodness he and John Lee became friends and John Lee started to promote progesterone. Ray Peat is not someone who goes out and toots his own horn. He is not easy to

00:46:40 > find. He has a busy practice. He is researching, writing books. He is not interested in selling an idea. His books are phenomenal and you have an opportunity that's rare now. You can support the station; you can support the show and enable me to continue to bring you this kind of very unusual information. It's based on my 15-year relationship with him that he is willing to do these shows. You won't hear this on another radio station. Support us now. So please call us it is 510-848-5 732, 1-800 -439-573 2 or 1800-HEY-K PFA. Did you like that shows. FEMALE SPEAKER: I did. I was listening up there to it, and at the first time I had heard him when he was talking about the progesterone I thought was very interesting perspective he had on the whole issue, but I am sitting and looking at this book Nutrition for Women and on the back it says – what he talks about it here is chronic fatigue, premenstrual tension, breast pain, skin

00:47:42 > nutrition and hormones, estrogen and anxiety, the danger of iron supplements. So, I think that these are very useful book. If you would like to get a copy of one of the three that Layna is offering today, you need to give us a call at 510-8 48-573 2. She is offering as a gift for subscribing to KPFA, Women and Nutrition for $60 pledge, Generative Energy for $60 pledge, Mind and Tissues for $60 pledge, and then if you're running into busy signs or busy on the phone right now, we are getting a really good response so if you would like to get a copy of these books we will let you know when our line is open, keep calling. Sometimes it keeps ringing and then cut you off but don't give up these books are well worth having. I think probably the best package we’re offering today is to get all three of the books for $150. LAYNA BERMAN: Yeah I mean is what you're essentially doing is protecting this type of programming. You're

00:48:44 > also letting me know what you want but by getting all three these are phenomenal package because Women and Nutrition is particularly about women and nutrition. It does cross over to men and nutrition as well because it is the same issues of hypothyroidism. Generative Energy is almost like a dissertation on the relationship between biology and ecology and it's a call against reductionist thinking, but it has solid information about all of the historical perspective on the research we've been talking about thyroid and energy and it makes it possible for you to really understand what's going on. So, we will call up the auction, it is very political, and Mind and Tissue is very provocative because it is hard getting back to Reich and trends in Eastern Europe about energy and self function and the brain, very interesting stuff considering what's going on with attention deficit disorder and all of these things that were seen, and you can have all three of these books for hundred $150 and you support the station and you supporting the show. FEMALE SPEAKER: I think it's really

00:49:46 > wonderful when folks that we bring in, especially folks that Layna brings in on this show, are willing to make available to our listeners this information. You know they're giving us these books at no cost for us because they believe in KPFA, they believe in our listeners, they believe is that information that you could benefit from, you are not going to go to your regular medical doctor and get this sort of informations like, this is what we do for this take this pill. LAYNA BERMAN: Well and it is a matter of fact, I think that I'm going to order some additional copies of Generative Energy to give to some of my clients because I think they need to give this to their doctors because doctors are not getting I'm getting clients who are having their doctors call me and they are saying why do you want me to check the thyroid? I mean it's like being receptive to listening but if I could shoot over a copy of Generative Energy, so going to your doctor's office armed with this research, you know, 1-800-HEY-KPFA or 510-848-57

00:50:48 > 32, write down the number if you're not getting through you can continue to call after the show is over. We will continue to give you some books for some period of time. FEMALE SPEAKER: Oh yeah. LAYNA BERMAN: You can keep calling in. FEMALE SPEAKER: I think why don’t you talk a little bit about what's coming up in terms of programming? LAYNA BERMAN: Well actually next week’s show is going to be fine. I've got sexologist, Dr. Lonnie Barbach. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. LAYNA BERMAN: There was a question of whether to do this for the pledge drive because it’s so close to Valentine’s Day, so it’s going to be a little late but we are going to still talk about her new book which is 50 Ways to Please Your Lover. I'm ready to read this book. So you may want to pick up a copy of this book and you know we are ahead of time for listeners of this show. You know what I have coming up that's really exciting is. I noticed that Dr. Oliver Sacks was going to be in town, so I called this publicist and she said that she would be glad to, so he is coming. I'm going to be sitting here talking to him. Yeah I can’t tell you what it means to me to have access to these people. It's dying and going to heaven. I really have just realized a dream by doing this and you make it possible by joining the station. It’s because of you that I do

00:51:50 > the show. It's a volunteer basis. I spent two days a week doing this show, and I do it because it's a feedback loop. You give back to me, I give back to you, I encounter these researchers, and their ideas get out. I mean we are becoming part of the solution together and let’s give the numbers again 1- 800-4 39-573 2, if you’re getting a busy a few months to go now. Now, we have – we do, in fact, have a few lines open or if you're in the 510 area code 510-8 48-573 2 call and ask for either one of the books that Layna is offering today, Women and Nutrition, Generative Energy, Mind and Tissues for $60 pledge each or just go ahead and go for the $150 pledge. LAYNA BERMAN: Yeah. FEMALE SPEAKER: It's only – you know, it’s less than about $10 a month on the EFT plan. You can also put this on your MasterCard or your Visa. You can do it the way it works best for you. You can even consider taking out a gift subscription. If you

00:52:52 > are a subscriber already you know consider upgrading your subscription or if you are a new listener to the show call in now become a new subscriber. You can also subscribe at the $45 rate if you can’t afford 60 and you will still get a copy of the program guide every month, the number again 5 10-848-573 2. There are a couple of lines open now. You have an opportunity to get in there now. We have only, you know, few more moments before we need to move on to the next show. LAYNA BERMAN: Couple of lines open here folks, 510-848- 5732 or 1- 800-43 9-5732, call us right now. FEMALE SPEAKER: I want to ask you Layna what is the most important thing you want listeners to know about Ray Peat’s work? LAYNA BERMAN: The thing that is most important is that he remembers the old days where there used to be these bumper stickers that said question authority. Well let's that Ray Peat is about. He says if you go back and you look into the research files all the way back, there is evidence of

00:53:54 > many of the things that mainstream nutrition and mainstream medicine if there is such thing are toting as being healthy maybe not, maybe it's not healthy. You know, one of the things that’s important about him is that – and he challenges me constantly because there are things that we disagree about. You know, we’ve had arguments about whether to supplement the diet with a central fat and he says – but, you know, radiation decreases, you know inflammation too. I mean he's very thought provoking in terms of what is the balance here and what is the bill at the end of using these various things and he goes back and he's got the research to support his work. It's not that he's some kind of guy who's making this up. He has researched a lot of the stuff but it is also his passion and his sense of love for people, I mean he can be, you know, at a personal conversation he can be sort of a little like annoyed with people but as soon as you start talking about the stuff I can feel how desperate that he wants people to protect themselves and be healthy. How much of the passion it is for him, who works very hard.

00:54:56 > FEMALE SPEAKER: 510-84 8-5732, there is a line open now. If you are getting it busy, give us a call now. You know, I really think that this show has gotten a tremendous response from listeners and part of it is because you are questioning authority, like Ray Peat you are questioning and want to know more about how to keep yourself healthy. So that’s something that's important to you. Call in now, get a copy of these three books for pledge of $150 you can have three of these books by Dr. Ray Peat. LAYNA BERMAN: You know something wonderful that Robert Crayhon once said to me, you know, a nutritionist who has been on the line, who is popular. Is that a truly intelligent mind will be able to contain conflicting ideas at the same time, so whatever you read or hear from Ray Peat even if it kind of flips a switch or you go ha, that process is creative. It will help you to dig deeper in yourself and to experiment and use your body as a laboratory not in an irresponsible

00:55:58 > way but in a way that's guided by knowledge. So that's the only way to find health, is to find that equilibrium and homeostasis in each one of you and only with knowledge is the only way you could do it. FEMALE SPEAKER: 1-800 -439-5732 or 510- 848-5732. You can pledge at the $60 dollar rate, the $45 rate. If you can only afford to pledge $25 then KPFA can use it. It's very helpful for us to know what kind of response we get to the different shows that we put on the air here at KPFA. Right now, we are getting a good response and in fact you know I found this morning that we haven’t made – we’re not close to our overall goal. We’ve got ways to go, so don't feel today if you haven't been able to call in; you know while we are here talking on the mike but you can't still call and support, it's very important that the station make it go a $400,000 before Wednesday. So, you know if you've been waiting and holding back now is the time to do it,

510-848-5 732 we have got a line open. LAYNA BERMAN: Yeah, I tell you another thing that's interesting. I was listening to the radio the other day. I heard Andrew Weil. I know a lot of people like Andrew Weil. But a woman called in [inaudible] I guess I can mention it on the air. And a woman called in and said I have bleeding fibroids and I don't want to have a hysterectomy, right. And Andrew Weil said, ‘what, yeah, it sounds like you’re estrogen dominant, so the first thing to do is to eat more soy and get more exercise and then there are surgical techniques where they don't have to remove the uterus. And I'm sitting there going, what happened to the natural progesterone, hello, hello. It looks like Andrew Weil talks about the stuff as if he invented it and that's not all the information. It’s not…