Anese Cavanaugh: Biohacking your Impact –

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00:00:00 > today's cool fact of the day is that some bumble bees are nectar robbers they actually land on a flower in sidestep the process of cross-pollination they just poke a hole through the side of the flower where they think the nectar might be and then they suck it out with their tongues but because bumble bees are polite they actually put a little tiny spray from their tarsus which is a special gland in their lower leg that lets other bumblebees know that the nectar is gone that's just a cool fact I have no idea how it's relevant to your biohacking but it was so cool that I decided I want to grow at tarsus so I can mark those myself anyway before we get going with today's guests I am really excited to introduce a new product for years people have been saying what about bulletproof tea what can I do and the answer is you can get lots of different kinds of green tea and some are good and some are so good but

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00:02:04 > its really good that said today's guest is a nice Kavanagh she developed something called the IEP method which is a practice to help leaders and people and teams tap into energetic and creative capacity I've been wanting to talk about creativity and boosting creativity on the podcast because it's something that's been core to my success and boosting an energetic presence like how do you show up on stage how do you show up in a meeting and I couldn't find a better guest on the show than a nice so nice welcome to the show thanks day it's great to be here thank you so what is this intentional energetic president and is it a bunch of hippie you know what yeah no it's not hippy it's a attention it's basically knew it it's kind of a bio hack for leadership oh there you go it's kind of way to think about it I was I was thinking about your audience today and you know the bio acting and how much I've gotten out of just using your products alone I started to think about

00:03:05 > IEP in terms of how to me it's one of the quickest ways to create more impact more efficiently we tend to go through our lives focusing I think on the wrong things a lot of times we till we focus on skills we focus on you know from a leadership perspective we focus on things like you know the visioning and strategy and all these different pieces collaboration and communication and while these are all super super important if you're missing intentional energetic presences goes underneath those if you're missing the presence that goes with it then all these skills no matter how great of a leader you are they you're not optimizing your performance so to me IEP is all about literally biohacking your impact and how you take care of yourself so you can create the impact you're trying to create in the world no the last interview I just did on the show was with a friend named yan arwen who's very rational and very if we can't all see it it doesn't really exist and here you are coming in energetic presence like do I

00:04:08 > have to have crystals to have an energetic presence like I mean I know that with the bulletproof audience these are people who are trained thinkers intelligent people what is the energetic presence that you're you're training like like help me understand that help our listeners yeah great absolutely so if you take the three words and you take them apart you've got intention you have energetic and your presence and to me the most important words on that and those three is in tension and presence so the intention is literally about how intentional we are around the impact we're trying to create how intentional we are around how we're showing up you know how intentional you and I are in this conversation around the impact we want to create for your audience all right so intention putting that level of intention you can't necessarily see it but if you think about any meeting that you ever go into any conversation you have how you take care yourself that requires a level of intention that for the people I've seen be the most effective with this they really work on cultivating that their their ability to create intention so intentions the most important piece the presents piece is

00:05:11 > literally how other people experience you so I'm sure that anybody this audience can relate to knowing people in their lives that might be amazing performers you know excellent leaders great designers whatever they might be fantastic at it but they're their presence it actually leaves people feeling worse than when they first came in contact with them or their you know they leave you know one of the words I hear a lot is leaving dead bodies behind so that the way they show up they might be phenomenal in organization but the way they show up it leaves people feeling that and so there's that whole you know Maya Angelou said they might not remember what you said they might not remember what you did but they will always remember how you made them feel and to me presents past has a huge impact on how you make other people feel so if you look at intention and what you want to create you look at presents as how you're actually showing up to create that impact then those two things those to make it a little bit more tangible okay so so the first step is you're working with people on creating their

00:06:14 > intention how do they want to show up and then how do they sort of create their energy for that and then how do they actually show up yeah how do they how do they want to show up in terms of what are the outcomes I mean there's there's five different levels that I look at intention at and you know the first one is literally as simple as one of the outcomes I want to create out of this meeting or out of this conversation right and then we can look at what is the emotional impact I actually want to create on the person I'm with right or the audience what is the emotional impact so you talked about you know being on stage and stage presence to me it's super important before you even go out on that stage that you're thinking about how am I going to show up in order to create an emotional impact in the audience and what happens is so often we go out and we're living from here up you know we're living in our heads we're not really grounded and centered so we go out and we're not actually conscious and in touch about the way we show up and I believe that we've got the ability and I see this over and over again I believe we have this amazing super power to be

00:07:15 > so intentional about the emotional impact we want to have on other people so the clear you can get somebody on that that the bigger the chances are going to be able to create that impact that's a big statement it it's one that in my experience is true I used to actually be really stressed all the time especially earlier in my career and when you're in a meeting and you're super stressed it doesn't matter if you're pantomiming the activities that are appropriate for the meeting people know that your stress they know that you're not paying attention they know whatever it is that you're doing no matter how much you want to hide it or how stressed you are about that it doesn't change anything so so are you actually like taking executives and training them on how to actually do that yeah okay yeah and what are some of the companies you've worked with on doing this I do a lot of work with companies like I do the design firm Cooper I've done work with people an IBM Citigroup I've got executives that hire me privately all the time I just had a company come out

00:08:16 > they flew there are two founders out from Washington DC to come in and work with me for two days to really help them get more grounded in their intentional energetic presence how they're showing up and how that was having an impact on the culture so yeah there's many ways so those are some really big companies who are somehow you know even though this is a quote soft skill versus hard science yeah I is there a way to quantify this I believe so I am here's here's what normally here's what normally happens so i usually get the phone call that says a nice we need help with you know our team's not getting along or our collaboration we're having a hard time collaborating communic we need help with communication i get a lot of requests for having difficult conversations and giving feedback and so what they what companies will usually say or what executives will usually say is you know i need help with learning these skills can you help me learn these skills and what I found it is that I can go in to a company and I can teach them this beautiful feedback model and I can do

00:09:18 > all this great work with them are on having difficult conversations and whatnot but if there are intentional energetic presence if their IEP is crappy underneath that it doesn't matter how good that training is it's it's like they're almost fake doing it it's people can feel it you know people can feel when I if I say something to you and I my energy is off and i'm not being authentic and grunted my intention for you is not great you're going to feel that so from a leadership standpoint it's going to be much more difficult for you to receive me and to actually learn from whatever i'm trying to work with you on it it makes a great sense yeah so I I noticed that when i started doing heart rate variability training Oh years ago yeah that it made a huge difference when I went on stage like people would pick up that I was calm and and I remember I give this talk about cloud computing which is you know the world's most exciting topic clearly and you know people are yawning it's a typical business conference you know 10 Dockers

00:10:19 > and whatever but afterwards one of the people in the audience came up afterwards and they said thank you so much for your talk and I said oh you're welcome you know are you interested in cloud computing can I get a lead you know the thing we do a trade shows and she said no I just want to say thank you for being so nice which was really weird cuz I wasn't trying to do nice but I done that hrv before I went on stage and and I was projecting that and I was I was kind of intentionally projecting calmness while I talked about you know a boring topic and somehow she had picked it up and was like I really enjoyed that and I got unusually good feedback on that and I always do heart rate variability before I go out on stage and before we did this show like not just takes a minute is that a technique you use or like what what's the secret juice for turning on presence and you know showing integrity when you actually have it when you actually have it or when you actually don't have it when you aren't sure when you actually have it I suppose when you don't have it you might want to show integrity but that hasn't been

00:11:20 > hasn't been a big focus on how to deceive people but that's a whole nother call I think that's oh yeah that one oh you gotta call Monsanto for that school they have a big need for that oh there you go okay so uh you know actually honestly I don't do the heart rate variability I'm really polished should learn more about it because it's i'm curious now you got me a little bit more curious about that I for me what the way that we've been using or the way I've been doing it is you know I started doing this work with athletes years ago and what I found I mean it's my career's evolved from work with athletes to going and working in corporate America to doing health of productivity to like it's just been this evolution and what I found is that that the number one thing before you go out on stage before you go into that meeting before you do anything is if you can stop and get present and actually just be in your body you know as cliche as that sounds to really be in your body in this present moment and to notice what's happening for you you know what are you believing you before you put on that stage what are you believing what are the thoughts that you're having about the audience you know are they

00:12:22 > scary do you want to contribute to them you know whatever your thoughts are if you can get present to how you're feeling about that audience and you can get present to your breath and your physical body then all sudden that presence is the first step to be able to go step out and and to show up a little bit more powerfully you have intention into that day and to me it's you know you're unstoppable once you've got the intention peace how do you okay so so if people are doing yoga ok maybe you're going to you're going to get into this people used to say these words to me you know I'm in my late 20s and I'm like get into my body I'm like where else am i I'm in my body what are you talking about you crack smoker okay maybe I was a little angry right hey but it took me three days of focus work at like a personal development thing before I was like oh my god there is like some weird feeling in there like wonder what that one is like I was that disconnected from what was actually going on my body and it was totally making people like not

00:13:23 > react well to me in ways that I wasn't conscious of but this is a really tough thing it took me three days of like weird stuff to get there how do you take an executive who's busy distracted you know probably eating like crap just kind of sleep and all the things that most executives deal with today how do you possibly get them to pay attention to this like it seems like unsurmountable insurmountable whatever I know I do I get him in I get him in a room I get him in a room either with myself or even better with a group of people we you know we do these two day events and within the first 90 minutes and you can watch on my site there's clips of this but in the first 90 minutes I literally have people pair up into threesomes and to really one person's an observer one person's will receive a receiver and one person's a projector and literally Dave just by standing there and projecting an intended emotion on another person the person who's receiving it can literally feel what that energy is they can literally feel what's coming at them and so I guess one you know a short answer

00:14:25 > is the way that I have people experience it is I have them see what's happening in their own impact in their own presence that's actually getting the way because I'm the one that gets the phone call almost every single day saying I've got my PhD of an MBA you know I'm the highest performer in my company i'm the founder this awesome company like I know when it gets that phone call says but i'm still not having the impact that i want to have or you know got all these great things going for me but people still think I'm a jerk I don't understand why and every time we look at what's happening for them nine times out of ten it has something to do with what's going on in internally with their IEP and if we can shift that then also it begins much easier I was in a workshop once where a woman in her mid 80s a very small woman and she got a group of 25 people to to think really bad thoughts about yeah person went when she scratch her nose right it and so then she brings in this big strong guy and she says okay

00:15:26 > let your arm and I'm gonna just like pull on your arm and she can't but she could hang from his arm like accuse you know weightlifter kind of guy and then she scratches her nose and everyone in the room like sends like really nasty negative thoughts of the guy and and I was blown away because literally she reached up with one arm and just yanked his arm down he looked at her like she was Superman had no clue yeah and maybe I mean there was no scam there they didn't set it ahead of time I I know both of them personally and there was like no prearranged shenanigans yeah and I that actually really showed me something about the power of my thoughts and feelings towards people really and I mean you're getting people in 90 minutes to acknowledge and acknowledge and understand that like what they're thinking and feeling are very important because they do affect other people yep absolutely and that's a pretty powerful thing to do in a short period of time especially for executives absolutely we'll think about it I mean think it so so actually it actually doesn't even take 90 minutes it actually if you think about this if we're really really

00:16:27 > present all of a sudden our access to intuition and wisdom that we don't have access to what we're running around and not you know we're just living in our heads basically and I think about is living in our heads right if we're really really present all of a sudden my presence with you I'm going to be much much better able to pick up on what's happening over there right with with you so the minute you get people into a space that is contained where they can actually start to notice how they're showing up you know literally everything down to what I think it was the default face you know the default face is that facial expression we make we think nobody else is looking you know and it way and we've all been in this room right we've all been in that meeting all of us that the guys going like this and just you know and maybe even some of your listeners is there listening to energy they're like oh my gosh why should talk about energy thanks ago whatever well that has an impact right so that we have the ability to have an intentional presence and to really pay attention to how we're showing up that either sets people up around us for a better experience or it you know takes

00:17:28 > away from their experience yes you know people have asked me how the bulletproof executive has grown got the blog and the podcast and all the principles you talk about you know showing up with a positive intention I I say it but my actual intention is I want to help a lot of people that's my core motivation I I don't want to you know make a ton of money although I would like to make a living for my family that's important to me but that's not my primary goal like I'm assuming that's gonna happen i sure hope but if i if i helped a lot of people and I had you know to go back to Silicon Valley to get a job okay like I'm soaking up a lot of people yeah and so the I know that that my intent that I set consciously it's good there may be things what else should I do to show up more energetically in what I'm doing do you have like like give me a little coaching session what are your time to do it so so actually if you look and anybody its listeners can look on my site and it actually shows the full model but what what's your url just so

00:18:30 > damn how much work well the best one to go to would be I p method calm and they can also go through an East kaveh calm but they can download literally a quick start module that has the core pieces of IEP it actually has the the things to pay attention to it also has I think it's got like seven different things you can do immediately to start rebooting your presence so they're welcome to that yeah for you so if you think about the model that the in the center of the model is this thing called it what I think of is the essential you which is basically what you just talked about it's your purpose your why it's it's you Dave being fully who you are groaning who you're all you're just for you right so there's you and also having self-awareness you know they've done a lot of stuff we're talking about there been studies done you know around Daniel Goleman emotional intelligence and self-awareness and self-management the ability like how important that is to leadership impact this the essential you to me is where that self-awareness lives okay so essentially you all about what

00:19:32 > you value what you know about yourself and you staying in your space then the next level of it goes up to what I think of is energetic presence not to freak everybody off but it is energetic presence and that's literally looking at how you a making a high-tech read care yourself the environment you surround yourself in so you know how you take great care of yourself that actually is what attracted me to pull a proof executive in the first place because I you know got turned on to you guys about a year ago and I was so excited I just started sending people in my I AP courses to bulletproof in terms of you know like you got to take better care of yourself like that is a foundational piece if you're working with me if you're doing this work you have to take amazing care of yourself so so thank you for that you're you're so welcome in your experience what is the reason that you have to take good care of yourself like like what do people get out of that would yeah it there's several things one is you know the confidence is one of the obvious things but more importantly to

00:20:33 > me is I noticed when people are eating a lot of junk and they've got a lot of brain fog and they're eating gluten and they're eating all this crap and they're not taking care of themselves they can't stay present yes I mean that's it like they can't you can't stay present if you're if you're chalked up with a bunch of crap so that you know for me I was always saying I was sending people a paleo and of course you know I'm not a nutritionist I'm not a doctor you have to do what's best for you at the same time I found that paleo and then bulletproof executive like those that was the thing that if i could get people to start following you guys then it would take care of the nutritional component and then obviously a lot of other things so that's that's what got me uh that's what introduced me to you guys and why I got so excited to talk to you when you guys asked so it was about having having the energy to be present basically eating rent that that's been my experts I I don't know how to do what i do if i was eating gluten or margarine or like soy and all that other stuff like it makes me weak oh it's amazing and i watch also you know here's the other thing is if you work if you look around the model you've got you've got

00:21:34 > essential you you've got the energy and presence well there's the physical well-being you know yours there's your physical energy how you take care of yourself so that's what we're talking about right now then there's those your environmental so how does your environment support you and not that comes down to you know literally things like your pantry in your refrigerator you know if I come over to your house Dave and you're teaching all this bulletproof exact stuff and I come in and I look in your closet you got like all its don't here there's your out of alignment somewhere so there's my donut stash imma no snow busted so and then and in the next piece of that of that model is literally about your mental emotional energy and how you think so you've probably I'm sure completely see this when you're eating a lot of gluten and junky food that hurts you're thinking you know like your confidence your assumptions you know big piece of IEP is the intentions and the assumptions people make so if I assume that for example let's just say that I assume that this show was going to be really horrible to be on and you're gonna be a horrible host and you guys you know just the audio was the audience was just

00:22:35 > going to take this and whatever if I make that assumption and I get on with you that's going to have an impact on how I show up so i might not be able to totally control how people receive me or totally control how they respond to some of this content but i can at least take really good care of myself into the very best i can to share it and contribute as positively as possible so you know so you're getting results in a relatively short program you know 90 minutes and you do some ongoing leadership coaching and things like that if someone's listening to this podcast they're likely driving most people listening to these on their commutes or when they're exercising what's step one if you know okay I've decided I want to be more intentional and when have you know higher energy yeah where do you start okay first one is to decide that you actually want that okay and what is it what are the blockages people deciding that it seems obvious well it does took maybe to you and I it seems obvious

00:23:36 > right but I find it's not it's um is making so here's a lot of people walk through their lives being reacting to their life and blaming external circumstances for not having energy for being tired for having a busy like what out you name it think about all the things that people all of us i'll just say human beings tend to put blame on for why our life isn't a certain way that we want it to be right it's me that all boils down to a decision so from an IEP standpoint the first step is literally in the decision that you want your impact to be better that's it like make the decision and you know reasons why people might not want to is in my experience people get a lot of mileage out of being able to blame everybody else that they're not showing up for getting the results that they want yeah working for the results can be harder taking care of yourself giving up gluten I'm sorry that's you know I i kind of am a fan of bread like that was painful to give up boonton but you know so it's a decision it is fear a reason that people

00:24:37 > don't show it definitely i think so i think that fear i think a lot of times and this is this falls into the environmental and relationship quadrant of the IEP model is that the people that we surround ourselves with tend to be you know who we become like we we start to model the behaviors of people around us and a lot of times people are afraid to show up even bigger because if they show up even bigger they might alienate their spouse their team you know it's the tall poppy syndrome right like the tallest poppies get cut down so a lot of times that not deciding to show up bigger comes from a fear that's been produced for what for whatever reason they've got going on in other parts of the model so okay yeah so the first step is they decide they're going to do it and let's say that they decide what rationally and emotionally that they're going to do it so they get past whatever fear they have of of success honestly that there's a lot of people who are just afraid of being successful because then they're responsible and then they might fail it's easier to just not succeed because they know if to be afraid of failing it's weird but yeah no

00:25:39 > yeah okay so we've gotten past that that was step one what's step two so step two would be now to start having awareness around how how am i showing up and am i showing up in a way that I really want to show up so step two is just awareness like really looking at you know if my life is not the way that I want it to be if I'm not getting the results that I want to get if i am being perceived as a jerk but i think i'm amazing what is it that I'm doing what is what is it that I'm doing how am i showing up that's creating that impact in my life so that would be so second would be awareness yeah I find that honestly about sixty seventy percent of this work is around they work they're deciding a new awareness if I get people to decide and be aware then all of a sudden you know if they will start taking better care of themselves and they'll start being more aware of how they're literally showing up in how they're creating their circumstances because we've create our lives like we create our circumstances so if we can start if they start to be more intentional about that then all of a sudden it becomes more obvious to start shifting things so for example and

00:26:42 > this is an emotional piece right so underneath every single complaint is just a nun communicator request so if I'm complaining about something in my life or if I'm complaining about this relationship I want to look at what is the requests underneath it and if I can make that request or actually get into action to make it better that also i'm going to more of a position of power and that power builds itself up and then my IEP it's easier like it what i find is it's contagious the minute we start to make a little bit of a shift then everything else starts to get easier okay talking about awareness is pretty easy to do ok we're going to be more aware but you know you don't walk around the mirror and even if you had a mirror that's just how you're physically moving your body and since you're talking and moving you probably aren't watching what you're doing with your body anyway that's why you see people on stage rocking back and forth even like you know Bill Gates when he talks on TV you still see him rock back and forth and he I'm sure it's almost told him that before right yeah he knows it but he doesn't know it at the time so awareness sound it's a nice concept but like how

00:27:43 > do you make awareness real yeah I for a long time I had let's eat for a long time I'm just thinking for myself for a long time I had this thing i would do where i would throw a little filler words end and i would pick filler words you know so i experienced a lot of people have filler words and you have fuller words you know like um like um or like or etc etc or no i don't believe i do i've taken them out very consciously over the past about 15 years of public speaking yeah it was a it was a process to do it yes yes well that's the awareness right there so the minute i have awareness that i am using a filler word then all sudden my consciousness i'm going to start sorting for that so i'm going to be a little bit more intentional about it every time so literally I might before I go in to speak I might say okay I am going to focus on speaking early and articulating and communicate connecting with whoever I'm speaking with I personally have found it not as effective to say I'm not going to say um isn't worth it makes you say it more it

00:28:44 > makes me sad more hi so the awareness piece the minute you have awareness now you've got something that you can start to put your attention on that you put it in the intent you put it in a positive so if my posture has been really bad think about if you have really bad posture you want to look at instead of saying okay don't want a bad posture anymore how do I want to show up on stage and so there's and so there's a there's a five-step reboot that I do with people which is the first step on presence is just noticing what your presence actually is literally gauging okay how am I feeling right now emotionally physically how am i showing up you know am I contribution to the room just by the energy done putting into it or am I detracting away from it right dude does that make sense it makes sense to me because I've trained my awareness and I've had a very hard time communicating to people other than if I'm like working with a coaching client on on public speaking yeah where it comes down to almost everything that I teach them is grounding those guys who can teach stage technique better than me

00:29:45 > right razor arm higher and all that and and those guys are amazing but most people are too flighty even the professionals are they just can't be present until they learn how to be present so I'm really intrigued by your work because you're making it part of what you're doing and you're dealing with some of these very mushy soft things that have the world doesn't even know exists but those are the key to being a good Center it is it is and here's the thing is we're talking a lot about presenting mm-hmm and and the presenting piece is really important obviously but I want to make sure if this is about just your life this is literally about how we show up from a present standpoint in the rest of our lives and how we you know going into that simple feedback conversation or that conversation with your child you know or with your spouse literally thinking about getting really present about my intention for my child and how I'm showing up energetically with them before I go in and have that conversation that helps me that's a superpower that helps me actually be that much more effective with my kid and he's going to experience me much more

00:30:46 > and ground it as his mother you don't I mean it's like so it's not just stage presence it's literally your presence in every single thing that you do um in the other piece is just that you know we talked about this is happening in 90 seconds people can see this people can see bits of this in 45 seconds when we get into a room and really start looking at you see this immediately the I want to be really clear with everybody this is a practice this is not something that you learn and you're done with it you literally you learn it you have awareness run it and then you make a commitment to keep making your IEP a little bit stronger every day so whether that's you know working in the first and second quadrant around the thoughts that you're thinking and how nice dripping to yourself you know where the food that you're eating or if it's in the third and fourth quadrant which is literally around how you show up in you know on a stage in your relationship so ever it is literally making it into a practice like a yoga practice almost it is every sentence you speak is one of those in fact I realized when I was working on

00:31:48 > why do I say um and why do i do those other sounds that I very rarely do these days it was because unconsciously some part of me was worried that I wouldn't get hurt or that I would lose the floor so I felt I always had to be saying something or people would think I was dumb or something when I got right down to it I realized it's just fine especially when you're on stage and you have the floor take a pregnant pause and it made me a much better speaker yeah but in order to do that I had to have awareness a that I was saying um and and all the other things that I would do and be I had to understand that if I didn't do those things as I'd still be safe and I'm the bulletproof executive how could I not be safe etc etc but this isn't rational none of the stuff we're dealing with here is on the cognitive brain level it's all it energetic like primal brain kind of stuff yeah it is it is and what's funny about that is is you taking those pauses actually makes you that much more powerful you know you're you're what you're talking about is

00:32:49 > looking at the beliefs that you're holding underneath whatever is happening you know what's the belief that has you saying um what's the belief that has you you know going really quick so if you look at that and and that you know if you think about I'm just thinking about going through the different components of where I have people work you know essentially you is just you being grounded in the first place just you right the energetic that the other pieces that the food me not is going to make sense to everybody listening to this the food piece the environment that's one that really surprises people a lot because they don't realize how much their environment is actually impacting their life no and and their ability to be healthy and their ability to get good results in one of the most common places i see this is with meetings you know this is a silly like here's a bio hack for a meeting you know most people i mean i don't know how you guys probably do really quick meetings but so many companies spend so much time in meetings and there are 60 to 90 minutes long and you know whatever you name the meeting but what's happening is

00:33:52 > those people are going in those meetings and they're not intentional about what the meetings about they're not intentional about how they're showing up and if you can start to get people more intentional about how they're showing up in a meeting and what they want to get out of it you can cut a 90 min meeting down to 30 minutes without a problem you know so yeah it's it's it's a practice that applies it applies everywhere that that makes a lot of sense yeah no there's something else in your work that a few guests on the podcast have talked about in the past and certainly something that I tend to bring up when people ask me my top three things and that is gratitude how do you bring gratitude to bear in IEP and especially with these fortune 500 CEO types like what's the role of gratitude here it's to me it's everything it's one of my it's fun it's funny I am we had something happen last week with our team that was a bummer and the one of my practices is to find the gift and everything so no matter what no matter

00:34:54 > what it is to find the gift because there is a gift there is a gift and every single thing that happens no matter how horrible it feels at the moment right yeah so if you can find that gift and then learn from it you know it's what's the gift what do we want to learn for from it and now it's express gratitude for that gift actually happening you know cuz that's gonna some ways I always believe it's going to serve the work in some way it's going to teach us something for the future you know whatever so gratitude to me from a company standpoint if I can get you know I always think it is it starts at the individual then it goes to the team that goes to the entire organization right and the culture that they're creating and if I can get every individual to just start thinking about what they're grateful for you know whether it's toothpaste or great coffee or you know that they have a roof over their head like any we can find things to be grateful for no matter what I've only met one person in my life who said that he had nothing to be grateful for he was super he hadn't decided to be grateful like he literally was decided to not be grateful not as a bummer I met a woman like like that once in in a sweat lodge

00:35:55 > of all places and she was sitting there and just just talking about how you she'd hit rock bottom and your life was so bad in it just didn't stop and didn't stop and and finally at the end of it I looked at her and I said why I noticed yourself both of your legs and she's what do you mean I said well I don't think you've hit rock bottom yet right yeah she didn't like that very much but she said she did get the point which is that you know there are always things to be grateful for are there are I mean even even being grateful for being ungrateful like that's an interesting place I mean really that's you know it's you want to meet people where they're at it's you know you say how do i get executives and these people that to kind of start working with this i I you have to meet them where they're at so if they're in a place of being you know ungrateful and they're they're stuck there and they want to be that way then that's actually really something to be grateful for because you know what you're making a decision to stay there and you've got a lot of power so there's gonna be grateful for it they could have decided to kill themselves and they can

00:36:56 > be grateful they didn't I mean who knows right so what I agree so gratitude I would say would be I mean one of my top that's that that's an um yeah that's to me that's essential do you write it down every day like what's your personal gratitude practice I don't write it down I it's so ingrained in me that I just throughout the day I'm just oh thank you before guys call it oh thanks i'm so glad this worked was David finally because we've you know we've had fun getting this together so it's just it's just part of my everyday the and I you know I've got two kids and when we at the beginning of the day we'll set intentions you know what do you want to create today how do you want your day to be you know my daughter the other day she goes I'm in a bad mood I'm just gonna have a bad day and I said cool you've decided awesome gonna add it it's a decision you know and so acknowledging that they're making a decision and that they're setting intentions will do in the morning and then the end of the day I'll just say what's your what's one thing like what's the the greatest thing that happened for you today what you feel really grateful for and it could be huge or can be tiny it could be anything you have intentions with kids how old is your daughter she's a teen eight hey yeah since 13 okay we

00:38:00 > do that my daughter six my son's for and before bad we do gratitude you know three things that happen today that you like they're thankful for it and it's really funny to watch them go through it and then change their mind no I like this more than that but it's I think it's a really healthy thing and it's something that I really I need to work on doing that every single night like some nights it's late and we just don't but it's it's such a powerful practice in kids it's cool that you've done something similar it is really powerful it's um yeah my kids my kids get into this stuff you know it's funny to even get into the attention peace um they give me attention peace they my daughter especially she's eight so she's a little bit more resistant to the intention peace sometimes she could mom I can't i'm not deciding i'm gonna have a bad day if i said i'm just a bad mood i'm gonna have a bad day that's not it that's not an intention yeah it's an intention sweetie so but yeah the gratitude piece that um I know I just think that makes things easier yeah if you have gratitude in my practice anyway it is the gateway to forgiveness so if

00:39:03 > you want to hold a grudge and continue being mad at someone when they don't even know you're doing it and really wasting your own energy on on someone like that yeah I found that that I'm unlikely to let go of something if I'm not in a position to find some peace of gratitude even if it's a stupid gratitude really like really I'm thankful I'm not gonna walk into that wall again oh okay yeah right absolutely well you're reminding me of one of my favorite tools so to speak as is the idea around deciding in relationships so you know you one of my favorite stories was I had two clients who were there were partners in a company and they had a really just a contentious relationship for years and people knew about it they need to kind of avoid it and you know you can imagine like you can imagine the store that goes with that but the i worked with one of them really intensively and one day I said you know this to me no matter how wrong he is or how bad he is this to me boils down to a decision for you you know do you want to have a good relationship with him or not so she

00:40:04 > literally Dave she made a decision she said you know what I'm tired like the person that was draining the energy from was her you know they're both having energy drain but she was because she was so attached to him you know him being wrong and her being right and all these different pieces that was actually having more of a negative impact on her so she said I am deciding to have a good relationship with him and what was amazing is she could have gone to him and said hey look we're having a bad really we have a bad relationship I want to have a great relation to say anything and just to start operating from a place of deciding to be good with him and so it completely her making a decision killed off the other option of continue to gather back fat evidence for him and instead of how to start looking at when he did things really well you know what was great about him what did she appreciate about him and the fun thing about it was that her energy and presence actually shifted with him and he started to show up differently and now those two have one of the best relationships in the company so he

00:41:06 > didn't even know what was happening he didn't even know it was literally heard to psych it's kind of like that exercise that that woman did with the you know scratching her nose people feel what we feel towards them they feel it yeah so that decision pieces to me that's the other thing it's like that's magic if if you can constantly look at how you're contributing to the things are happening your life and then make a decision to ship them it's pretty cool you totally can and one of the really exciting things about biohacking and one of the reasons I'm a supporter of the quantified self is that we're finally getting enough sensors with enough detail that we can measure the physiological responses that you're talking about so it 10 years ago 15 year ago what you're saying would have been complete nonsense to the vast majority of people especially the hardcore scientists who they know how it works honestly they know a lot of stuff works and you know I'm a big fan of science at the same time these new sensors keep breaking old scientific paradigms and

00:42:08 > for instance the heart rate variability thing one of the reasons that that I believe it does something is we can show that if someone has a particularly strong amplitude heart rate variability whether it's chaotic or ordered the people around them will shift their own heart rate variability to match yes that's right so you can be the antenna in the room and you can be chaotic or not but if you're chaotic and you don't know it and you're strong people will become more you know their heart rate variability become more chaotic and that will manifest itself as people don't feel comfortable yeah their stress levels go up yeah and so you can be a stressful person but now we can measure that you're having this effect on other people instead of just saying we all kind of know it's true cuz someone was consensus and some of us don't it's almost think it's not true I'm sorry like I think that the word for it is science so it's funny I was um I was at the group last week and I did a two day intensive with 24 of their executives and in the room about eight of them were scientists hardcore scientist and I had

00:43:10 > dinner with him the night before and they said okay nice be prepared because tomorrow is going to be there's gonna be some resistance in that room talking about this energy stuff and so I went okay so I got some statistics together you know like sleep statistics and mirror neurons stuff and like the science right and the the research that's you know talked about how you know seventy to ninety percent of your impact is actually not in the words that you say but literally in your presence and the belief so you bringing oh no excuse me so I had all this science ready for them and I was ready to go Dave and I got up there and I had them do one of the first exercise that we do in the first 20 minutes and uh I got up and I threw up a slide just show them some science and one of the guys goes never mind we don't we don't need to see that let's just keep going with this stuff because they were able to feel it so quickly they were you know it's just the power of getting people present with each other that that's the magic of what happens is just getting them present so those those it was it was interesting all I didn't need any of my data to like daddy pick

00:44:12 > up but if only if only we taught people in school how to be present that would be amazing because then you could just bring it to a meeting and then you could use your presence to determine whether or not you were you know there was a scam going on in the room or whether the information was coming from the right place and the whole intuition creativity thing happens there yeah yeah for sure i think you know i believe that our presence is actually our impact you know what if it was that simple that our presence is our impact and that our ability to use intention to decide what that's going to be I mean what if it was as simple as that yeah you know you know and I guess I guess one other piece I would just add is you know you talk about beau matching you know matching people so for people out there listening to this who work on teams or there are relationships it's really easy unless you are really intentional about this it's really easy for the lowest vibration I'm gonna use that word just for a minute it's really easy for the lowest vibration in the room to win you

00:45:14 > know so match you go into a group of eight people and you know six of them are actually in a pretty good state and edge to they're just bringing the room down unless those six can really be intentional about holding their state it's going to be easy for the rest them to pile on and then sink the energy of that room and so you think about that from a cultural standpoint you know you think about that from just a team standpoint that's got some pretty interesting repercussions about it it does and and those are quantifiable yeah exactly i was about to to try and express that in a similar way it's just measurable and it's not mumbo jumbo like crystal harmonic kind of stuff it's human interaction and psychologists know this and now physiologists are starting to measure it but if you're one of those bummer people and you don't know it yeah like that's bad in fact casinos have guys like this who work for them right we will come to a table everyone's winning and then they're just like the bummer person they start playing everyone around like oh my god this like they really they

00:46:15 > have professional bummers I don't know what they call them but I did not know that yeah it's yeah it's true and you know here's i think is except with the exceptions of professional bummers it's my experience that most people don't want to be that bummer person know some people get a ton of mileage out of it and it's you know the woe is me and they really like to be there there and there there there there and they want to be there and but in my experience most people don't want to be that person and so it's literally shining a little bit of a light on it going hey look at this do do you realize the impact that you're actually having do you realize how you're contributing to how hard your life is and how busy you are and how much people don't want to hang out with you like you're contributing to that in a minute they can start to see that you've opened up hopefully a little bit of a window for them to go okay wait a second I've got the ability to start shifting this and us and that's that's the window I it's so cool that we can talk about that because it's hard to find people who who will talk about this who aren't you know wearing tie-dye and

00:47:17 > you know with dreadlocks not that i don't have lots of friends who wear tie dye and dreadlocks i do but it's hard for for people who aren't in that sphere to connect with these ideas and to understand that they're based on science and that very successful people pro athletes and CEOs that they use these techniques every single day and that's why i thought it'd be really cool to have you on the show to talk about it that and speaking of talking about things yes we're near the end of the show yeah i always ask people for their three biggest recommendations to help people perform better given that's your business this might be an easy kind of softball question for you but not just for my business your whole life well order what are they the three most important pieces of advice yeah oh three most important pieces we didn't just talk about mandating self-care that's true I was like we mandate salt cannot be an important piece now oh that's right we could talk about that for a minute let's talk about mandating self Carolyn's in the top three okay he wants it you want the top three first you want

00:48:18 > me and eating something out let's talk about whether you know whether executive should mandate self care for their people that's a great question we were going to talk about I forgot it is well there's there's so much de leurs like there's a million things we can talk about but uh yeah you and I start time at can you I asked you at the beginning if you're if you mandated that everybody on your team was bulletproof and what was your answer no I I don't and it always drives me nuts when I take all the people and we're still really small company but there's people who are you know mid-20s you know starting out in their career and I'm doing my best to help support their growth but they're nervous like oh my goodness what should I what should i eat daves can say and honestly I don't care what you eat I care how you perform and you can like like eat you know chicken wings and wash them down with beer and you can kick ass all day long and stay present and focused you're number one you're stronger than I am number two more power to you but if those habits show up in how you interact with others or how you

00:49:20 > perform the things that you agreed to do then we're going to have a conversation and I'm not going to tell you don't eat chicken wings and drink beer I'm going to tell you you're not performing well and what are the potential causes yeah and that's my mind my thoughts towards it and I also give them brain octane oil i give them bulletproof coffee i give him the beans like here's some things to help you feel good and perform well and you don't have to use them but they're there for you yeah no I think that's so great i know i'm completely in agreement with you I I went through this thing for a while I'm actually working on an article right now and I don't know the exact title bit but it's basically can you mandate self carrying organization especially if you're covering you know there are health care benefits and you know for my for my people I pay for their gym memberships like the different pieces right and legally you cannot mandate from an HR perspective you can't mandate that somebody takes care of themselves however you can absolutely support them and I think what I'm what I'm finding over and over again for myself and then for other people that I work with is that you know if you set

00:50:22 > practices in place like what you guys do with the bulletproof coffee and the brain octane all that you can incentivize I don't think you need inside I don't really believe in incentivizing self care if that bothers me a lot I don't incentivizing it just feels like um I would want the people on my team to take care of they really want to perform great Joan I mean so I support it I think you can support it but I think you can mandate it you can make it easy like another example we have a new product that's coming out in about three months and it's other than bulletproof coffee it's the biggest performance boost I've ever found and it blows away so many things that I've taken it as a supplement when I tried it in a couple other people in the company tried it we all looked at each other and said we have to have this so we did a special run like pre production run in manufacturing just for people in the company so for the past couple months I think everyone in the company has been running on this like as a daily supplement on top of what they normally do which is totally optional not required Yeah right but they wanted

00:51:26 > to because everyone wants to feel good and have additional like cellular energy and things like that and the other thing I do is when it's within reason I bring some of the employees through 40 years of Zen that the training that I've done on myself ah it's really expensive and I don't get it for free I pay for it like everyone else and I do that because it's not mandated it's offered and it's optional and there's no penalty for not going but what if you can upgrade someone's like you by 12 points and what if they got to do it I'm pretty sure that they'll benefit and i'm pretty sure that you know the mission of the bulletproof executive will also be move forward and so will help even more people it's a win but it's not mandated ya know and i don't i don't think for you know especially for companies like yours in mine where our entire mission is around you know performance optimization and people feeling amazing and having the impact they want to have I think that the nature of who we're going to attract to work for us there are gonna have an intrinsic motivation for self-care you know I means I think

00:52:28 > it's kind of a funny conversation you know to say can you mandate south Karen and I know you can't but I i love i love what we're both staying here and just that you can support it and make it easy i like your way of thinking about it then making it easy I think that's really nice this is really nice so thank you ya know speaking of making it easy I meant you had extra time for your top three so i sexist IM on us alright so it besides the obvious ones like take really good care of yourself and not those are those are just given right okay I can have those you can add those okay I can have us again all right I I would go back to find the gift and everything no matter how horrible it feels like fine the get to see if I would say putting a mind set on of finding the gift and everything and then finding gratitude for that gift you know learning from it that would be might that would be one another thing would be the power to really owning the power to intent and create impact so you know just knowing that in every moment I'm contributing to creating my reality and

00:53:29 > so with that I get to intend what I want to create that's really powerful and then I think another one would be um being kind it's it's so it's so soft but it's true it's I think you know being nice is free and holding a positive intention for other people there that's what it is holy a positive intention for other people and knowing that we have the ability to literally make other people do better just by the way that we hold them and so that goes with being kinda that woman said to you thanks for being kind on stage it's it's free to be kind so yeah whole deposit a tent behind intent your impact and gratitude was the other ones yeah anything like I try and squeeze them together I'm cheating I'm cheating on this show your your biohacking there's nothing wrong with cheating as long as you tell people what you did so they can learn from it and they can cheat to the next time and we

00:54:30 > can all save time I put up I put it I put my things to do and uh uh slashes i would get i would get about nine more in there if i could nice i love it yeah anees Kavanagh where can people find out more info about you give us your contact info sir they can go to a nice Kavanagh calm and they can also go to IEP method calm if they want more specifically on IE peonies Cavanaugh is kind of our home site which got like a ton of stuff on it an IEP is specifically about the it there's videos there's pictures there's the toolkit there welcome to we're doing an event in May this year we're doing another event so they're welcome to come out for that and yeah also others all sorts of stuff on there wonderful thanks again for coming out on the show it's been a pleasure for everyone listening please do us the favor of heading over to iTunes and telling people that you like the show if this has been valuable for you that helps other people find it and thank you

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nose and I mean it is so sexy like the women part is if they just go for it and if you like just made up stuff that you pull from the Pleiades or something our stuff is probably pretty out there in comparison to that from the Pleiades I love it and by the way I would have said Uranus but you know the beauties welcome to the show what a great opening